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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
If persons would follow the health laws of God in scripture, there would not be such places, and if persons would follow the regulations laid out by God for family, persons would not abandon their elders to such places.

They were not temperate according to scripture. That is the point. They thought that they were being "moderate" in their sexual habits, their drinking habits, their eating habits, their thinking habits, their lifestyle habits, etc. They are reaping what they themselves have sown. However, you may want to consider the "blue zones", and one in particular, the Seventh-day Adventist.


Afaik those scriptures were written by me a long time ago,there's nothing to prove they were from a supreme being,they were written for a different culture and time.

Some religions use the carrot and stick method,especially the proselytizing ones,the carrot being heaven and the stick damnation,if people want to live like that it's their choice but it's definitely not mine.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Let me show you another 'worship' service, whose 'profits' are the bookie:


It doesn't seem to matter whether you worship an idol or your supposed god,it doesn't appear to help people in Africa with stds or famine no matter how hard they pray,personally I don't have an idol but whatever floats people's boat.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You believe mankind needs salvation? Would you be able to share a bit more about what you believe mankind needs salvation [to be saved] from?

I also acknowledge and believe in real true science (the Bible speaks of a true and false science (knowledge)). I do not believe the earth is billions of years old, nor will this present earth ever be such, from my perspective and understanding of scripture, history and science. Maybe we can discuss this between us? I do not know if this welcome thread is that place for that (though I am not averse to talking with you, or any, here).

Ah, I see how it works! Medical science is about
medicine, fisheries science is about fish, ad false
science is about what is false in the bible.
Example: geology, biology, physics etc are
all false science, for lo, they show that the 6 day
poof and flood are false!

(your understanding of scrip, history and
especially science are quite lacking,
btw-
dont kid yourself that you acknowledge
"true science")
 

coconut theology

coconuts for Jesus
Afaik those scriptures were written by me a long time ago,there's nothing to prove they were from a supreme being,they were written for a different culture and time.

Some religions use the carrot and stick method,especially the proselytizing ones,the carrot being heaven and the stick damnation,if people want to live like that it's their choice but it's definitely not mine.
Earthly governments have laws, otherwise there is no order, but chaos and utter ruin, and the breaking down of all things. All nature around us is governed by laws, such as sowing and reaping. Violation of those laws brings the sure results. The universe is run by laws, observable, testable, repeatable and demonstrable laws. Laws are given, or created, by a law maker. The government of Heaven/God is ruled by His law, which is a transcript of God's own eternal/perfect character. Violation of the law of God, who Himself is Life, results in death (separation from life, by which they themselves chose). Anyone who told you of eternal torment doesn't know the scripture and maligns God's own character and justice, and just law. The wages of sin (treason against Love/Life, violation of Love/Life) is death (eternal, from which there is no possibility of resurrection).

Isaiah 46:9-10, God puts all on the line:

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
In fact, all of human history is summed up in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3. The natural events of Genesis, also explain the greater overall whole.

The very letters and words of Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew are absolutely stunning in the exact history it tells, long before it ever happened.

Heaven isn't the carrot. That is a complete misunderstanding of the whole of scripture. The second death is neither the stick, but rather the sure result of that following the cause, to its effect, which again follows the law of God, which is over all the unfallen universe. We are going to be able to travel throughout all of it, and I would like to see you there, but presently, it seem you do not desire to go, and would rather be forever nothing (2nd death, oblivion). You shall have the desire you choose. God is for you. The devil (a real tangible being, that even now walks this earth) is against you. You have the ability to cast your vote.
 

coconut theology

coconuts for Jesus
Ah, I see how it works! Medical science is about
medicine, fisheries science is about fish, ad false
science is about what is false in the bible.
Example: geology, biology, physics etc are
all false science, for lo, they show that the 6 day
poof and flood are false!

(your understanding of scrip, history and
especially science are quite lacking,
btw-
dont kid yourself that you acknowledge
"true science")
You mock at that which you do not know, and merely guess at that which you have no knowledge of, and assume that incorrectly which you could not demonstrate, nor prove.

Geology, Biology, Physics, are true science (knowledge), and the bible encourages the study in all those fields of research, for surely you do not know what scripture said, for if you had, Audie, you would not have made the ignorant (without knowledge) statements you made about it, and so also myself (for you also have no knowledge of my background and current understanding in those and other fields of research):

1 Corinthians 11:14 - "Doth not even nature itself teach you ..."

Job_12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:

Pro_6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;

Psa_8:8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

Rom_8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

Study the scripture, and it specifically tells you why there are earthquakes in divers places. Study its pages and it will tell you of the paths of the seas, the systems of weather and season that are in place. Study the stars and planetary bodies mentioned in scripture and they will tell you things most have not even dreamed of. Study the creatures, beast and man, bird and bug, and they shall tell us marvelous things of the science of God.

All creation is speaking even right now. It speaks of order. It speaks of purpose. It speaks of intent. It speaks of intelligence. It speaks of wisdom. It speaks of creative mind. It speaks of heart. It speaks of Being. It speaks of Love.

 

Audie

Veteran Member
You mock at that which you do not know, and merely guess at that which you have no knowledge of, and assume that incorrectly which you could not demonstrate, nor prove.

Geology, Biology, Physics, are true science (knowledge), and the bible encourages the study in all those fields of research, for surely you do not know what scripture said, for if you had, Audie, you would not have made the ignorant (without knowledge) statements you made about it, and so also myself (for you also have no knowledge of my background and current understanding in those and other fields of research):

1 Corinthians 11:14 - "Doth not even nature itself teach you ..."

Job_12:7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:

Pro_6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;

Psa_8:8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.

Rom_8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

Study the scripture, and it specifically tells you why there are earthquakes in divers places. Study its pages and it will tell you of the paths of the seas, the systems of weather and season that are in place. Study the stars and planetary bodies mentioned in scripture and they will tell you things most have not even dreamed of. Study the creatures, beast and man, bird and bug, and they shall tell us marvelous things of the science of God.

All creation is speaking even right now. It speaks of order. It speaks of purpose. It speaks of intent. It speaks of intelligence. It speaks of wisdom. It speaks of creative mind. It speaks of heart. It speaks of Being. It speaks of Love.


Perhaps I am wrong, and you recognize that
science has demonstrated that much of what
the bible claims is just bs?

If not, then what I said is quite readily demonstrated.

Dont waste time with cut n paste from the bible
or argue with videos that I wont look at.

Just say what YOU think is real, in the creo-v-evo
vid.







I wont read cut n paste from the bible or play
argue-via-video
 

coconut theology

coconuts for Jesus
...Some religions ...
Secular humanism (aka atheism) is one of those "Some religions":

"... It has occasionally been argued that in Torcaso v. Watkins the Supreme Court "found" secular humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on a reference, by Justice Black in footnote number 11 of the Court's finding, to court cases where organized groups of self-identified humanists, or ethicists, meeting on a regular basis to share and celebrate their beliefs, have been granted religious-based tax exemptions. ..." - Torcaso v. Watkins - Wikipedia

Another:

"... Secular humanism rejects the supernatural and is a type of atheism.

In the 1961 U.S Supreme Court case of Torcaso v. Watkins Justice Hugo Black commented in a footnote, "Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others."[43]
Casey Luskin wrote about the U.S. Supreme Court:

“ In 2005, the Supreme Court reiterated its view that religion should not be defined narrowly, and the Seventh Circuit likewise observed that “the Court has adopted a broad definition of ‘religion’ that includes non-theistic and atheistic beliefs, as well as theistic ones.” The Seventh Circuit went on to note that “[t]he Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a ‘religion’ for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions[.] . . .” Earlier, the Seventh Circuit had observed that “f we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.” Thus, atheism can be a religion for the purpose of constitutional analyses. Now getting courts to enforce this is another matter.[44]
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:

“ The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that atheism is a religion. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[45] ..." - Atheism is a religion - Conservapedia
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Secular humanism (aka atheism) is one of those "Some religions":

"... It has occasionally been argued that in Torcaso v. Watkins the Supreme Court "found" secular humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on a reference, by Justice Black in footnote number 11 of the Court's finding, to court cases where organized groups of self-identified humanists, or ethicists, meeting on a regular basis to share and celebrate their beliefs, have been granted religious-based tax exemptions. ..." - Torcaso v. Watkins - Wikipedia

Another:

"... Secular humanism rejects the supernatural and is a type of atheism.

In the 1961 U.S Supreme Court case of Torcaso v. Watkins Justice Hugo Black commented in a footnote, "Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others."[43]
Casey Luskin wrote about the U.S. Supreme Court:

“ In 2005, the Supreme Court reiterated its view that religion should not be defined narrowly, and the Seventh Circuit likewise observed that “the Court has adopted a broad definition of ‘religion’ that includes non-theistic and atheistic beliefs, as well as theistic ones.” The Seventh Circuit went on to note that “[t]he Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a ‘religion’ for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions[.] . . .” Earlier, the Seventh Circuit had observed that “f we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.” Thus, atheism can be a religion for the purpose of constitutional analyses. Now getting courts to enforce this is another matter.[44]
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:

“ The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that atheism is a religion. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[45] ..." - Atheism is a religion - Conservapedia


Well! Conservopaedia. Who could find a finer authority on
legal matters!

Thus, atheism can be a religion for the purpose of constitutional analyses

It is the same as corporate personhood. Only a serious dope could make
the leap from there to thinking it means that a corporation is really a person
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I'll accept this statement as your foundation.

Foundation, or a given as you like.

I am not like religiounists who cannot be wrong.

Now, how about if you Just say what YOU
think is real, in the creo-v-evo vid.

All relevant questions as to your knowledge
of science will be readily settled with a few
words,
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Earthly governments have laws, otherwise there is no order, but chaos and utter ruin, and the breaking down of all things. All nature around us is governed by laws, such as sowing and reaping. Violation of those laws brings the sure results. The universe is run by laws, observable, testable, repeatable and demonstrable laws. Laws are given, or created, by a law maker. The government of Heaven/God is ruled by His law, which is a transcript of God's own eternal/perfect character. Violation of the law of God, who Himself is Life, results in death (separation from life, by which they themselves chose). Anyone who told you of eternal torment doesn't know the scripture and maligns God's own character and justice, and just law. The wages of sin (treason against Love/Life, violation of Love/Life) is death (eternal, from which there is no possibility of resurrection).

Isaiah 46:9-10, God puts all on the line:

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
In fact, all of human history is summed up in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3. The natural events of Genesis, also explain the greater overall whole.

The very letters and words of Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew are absolutely stunning in the exact history it tells, long before it ever happened.

Heaven isn't the carrot. That is a complete misunderstanding of the whole of scripture. The second death is neither the stick, but rather the sure result of that following the cause, to its effect, which again follows the law of God, which is over all the unfallen universe. We are going to be able to travel throughout all of it, and I would like to see you there, but presently, it seem you do not desire to go, and would rather be forever nothing (2nd death, oblivion). You shall have the desire you choose. God is for you. The devil (a real tangible being, that even now walks this earth) is against you. You have the ability to cast your vote.

I pretty sure I've heard hell mentioned by the Catholic church and Protestant too,the quran mentions eternal torture and,I have no idea what sect of Christianity you Belong to but it seems pretty standard for the proselytizing religions.

One thing I know for sure about the Bible Quran and holy books of religions is that they were written by human beings,it's also said that the early church changed or omitted a lot so to me that's what it amounts too,an old culture and it's old myths that have changed over time.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I pretty sure I've heard hell mentioned by the Catholic church and Protestant too,the quran mentions eternal torture and,I have no idea what sect of Christianity you Belong to but it seems pretty standard for the proselytizing religions.

One thing I know for sure about the Bible Quran and holy books of religions is that they were written by human beings,it's also said that the early church changed or omitted a lot so to me that's what it amounts too,an old culture and it's old myths that have changed over time.

Mention?? I should say. Look what Allah has in store for
me for the sin of going about in public with my hair uncovered!!
https://www.google.com/search?q=isl...oECBoQBA&biw=736&bih=374#imgrc=YrC2xrzmeogTGM:

That is just mean! I would get so tired of hanging by my hair.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Secular humanism (aka atheism) is one of those "Some religions":

"... It has occasionally been argued that in Torcaso v. Watkins the Supreme Court "found" secular humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on a reference, by Justice Black in footnote number 11 of the Court's finding, to court cases where organized groups of self-identified humanists, or ethicists, meeting on a regular basis to share and celebrate their beliefs, have been granted religious-based tax exemptions. ..." - Torcaso v. Watkins - Wikipedia

Another:

"... Secular humanism rejects the supernatural and is a type of atheism.

In the 1961 U.S Supreme Court case of Torcaso v. Watkins Justice Hugo Black commented in a footnote, "Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others."[43]
Casey Luskin wrote about the U.S. Supreme Court:

“ In 2005, the Supreme Court reiterated its view that religion should not be defined narrowly, and the Seventh Circuit likewise observed that “the Court has adopted a broad definition of ‘religion’ that includes non-theistic and atheistic beliefs, as well as theistic ones.” The Seventh Circuit went on to note that “[t]he Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a ‘religion’ for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions[.] . . .” Earlier, the Seventh Circuit had observed that “f we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.” Thus, atheism can be a religion for the purpose of constitutional analyses. Now getting courts to enforce this is another matter.[44]
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:

“ The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that atheism is a religion. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[45] ..." - Atheism is a religion - Conservapedia

Atheism is not a religion,its a stance.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I've often wondered about this,it's like they'll use alphabet gymnastics to make it so.

A couple of my thoughts-

"God" is so central to their brains that
they cannot grasp the concept of just not believing.

Too, if atheism is really a religion, they can then
show that theirs is so much better.

Even concoct it into that we really do believe, just
are in rebellion.

Maybe a godist could explain why they put so much
effort into it.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
A couple of my thoughts-

"God" is so central to their brains that
they cannot grasp the concept of just not believing.

Too, if atheism is really a religion, they can then
show that theirs is so much better.

Even concoct it into that we really do believe, just
are in rebellion.

Maybe a godist could explain why they put so much
effort into it.

They can't burn us as heretics anymore so they gotta try something.
 
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