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Could a woman President actually be good for America?

PureX

Veteran Member
I blame a lot of it when industry (almost overnight) packed up and left the country.
Also the Eco Nazi movement played a huge role when it picked up steam and later convinced and bought out the socialist Democrats obligating to place suffocating industry killing regulations that literally ran major plants outta Dodge (like out of the country) along with countless jobs leaving cities like Detroit, Buffalo, Bethlehem, Flint, Chicago, and others with massive rusting derelict shells in it's stead of a once thriving industrial community to fend for themselves without it's industrial base.

The American dream died for a lot of people.
What killed the steel mills on the Great Lakes wasn't "eco nazis", it was capitalism. Investors only care about maximizing their immediate returns, and so rewarded the CEOs for keeping those returns high. But that meant not spending profits updating the plants, which were all built way back in the 30s. Meanwhile, newer foreign plants were being built around the world with modern updates that made them far more efficient and produced higher quality steel, cheaper. So manufacturers began buying the better, cheaper, foreign steel which only made the American steel plants LESS inclined to spend any of their profits updating their plants. Especially when they could just abandon it and build a whole new plant in some foreign country where they could avoid unions and exploit the workers. So that's what they did. It had nothing at all to do with ecological restrictions. That was just an excuse for their selling out the American people for bigger profits making steel in foreign countries, by exploiting foreign workers.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Even with foreigners we still have plenty of jobs going unfilled. I have zero empathy or sympathy for Americans who won't work. A part of that union thing you support is working hard for your fair share. Granted, we need better pay all round to where you are at least comfortable and without basic need of you work full time, but you're asking a lot just for working. Good sized houses and new trucks aren't cheap. Probably, a 40 hour job should be able to support one person at least. A family should earn enough to support a family with the second income. If you want more, lavish, big and new, you need to do more than just hold a job.

American job pay is not equitable with the cost of living! The American Dream doesn't mean being a prisoner to debt. We shouldn't be buried in that new truck when we die of old age. In 1979 again, cash was king.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
To me it's the ISSUES that matter, not the charm, charisma or even the gender. I want to enjoy a middle-class lifestyle.

I want a 40 hour work week that
will also pay me well enough as a single man/no dependents to have a new 3-br house in pollution-free "Mayberry", a new Toyota pickup, a new bass boat and go hunting, fishing and/or boating every weekend.

To me, this is a UNION-scale lifestyle...
and I also want to keep my guns so
I don't have to go hunting with bows and arrows.

Mayberry is that great little American quiet and clean middle-class suburban town with shade trees and green lawns that's the epitome of the classic American Dream.
No one wants to take your guns. That's a threat the gun lobby keeps throwing at you to get you to fight any and all forms of gun regulation.

You should add up the cost of those things you listed and see what you would have to earn each month to afford them. And then consider this (from a social security office report):
-38 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year.

-51 percent of all American workers made less than $30,000 last year.

-62 percent of all American workers made less than $40,000 last year.

-71 percent of all American workers made less than $50,000 last year.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
No one wants to take your guns. That's a threat the gun lobby keeps throwing at you to get you to fight any and all forms of gun regulation.

You should add up the cost of those things you listed and see what you would have to earn each month to afford them. And then consider this (from a social security office report):
-38 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year.

-51 percent of all American workers made less than $30,000 last year.

-62 percent of all American workers made less than $40,000 last year.

-71 percent of all American workers made less than $50,000 last year.

It sounds like Donald Trump may have stimulated the growth of a lot of burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs but precious few professional careers, government jobs and skilled-trade jobs. Might as well stay on welfare or disability. No true incentive to work.

Is there a link for that social security report?

Never mind, I found it here:

Goodbye Middle Class: 50% Of American Workers Make Less Than $33,000 A Year

Trump then has to be DUMPED!

I don't need an AR-15 to dove hunt anyway. A bolt action works just fine for deer and a Bellini Nova pump shotgun works just fine for dove season.
 
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This woman would have to not be pushing for more gun control as that does not sit well with voters in most Red states. The woman should also have to be compassionate toward the poor, the elderly, veterans and people with disabilities. She would have to support a strong middle-class and a strong manufacturing base and much improved infrastructure. Stewardship of the environment is also important. She also needs a tough immigration policy and an objective foreign policy. I want better work-life balance for working-class Americans. This working two or more jobs to make ends meet doesn't cut it with me. I like the middle-class lifestyle that unions would favor.

It would depend on political principles, not on gender.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Also the Eco Nazi movement played a huge role when it picked up steam and later convinced and bought out the socialist Democrats obligating to place suffocating industry killing regulations that literally ran major plants outta Dodge (like out of the country).

Lousy environmentalists and their need for clean air and water!

The Androscoggin river in Maine was, in my youth, so polluted by mills you couldn't get within 50 feet of it without gagging. Sure couldn't fish it. It required bubblers so that fish didn't sufficate. Even today, chemicals are still dumped into it. It was an inspiration for the Clean Water Act, and is at least approachable now and you can fish in it.

Blaming environmentalists for choking out industries is like blaming your doctor you can't eat fast food anymore while ignoring the fact that you feel much healthier.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Lousy environmentalists and their need for clean air and water!

The Androscoggin river in Maine was, in my youth, so polluted by mills you couldn't get within 50 feet of it without gagging. Sure couldn't fish it. It required bubblers so that fish didn't sufficate. Even today, chemicals are still dumped into it. It was an inspiration for the Clean Water Act, and is at least approachable now and you can fish in it.

Blaming environmentalists for choking out industries is like blaming your doctor you can't eat fast food anymore while ignoring the fact that you feel much healthier.
Also called shooting yourself in the stomach just to cure a case of indigestion.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It sounds like Donald Trump may have stimulated the growth of a lot of burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs but precious few professional careers, government jobs and skilled-trade jobs. Might as well stay on welfare or disability. No true incentive to work.

That's what the socialist Democrats want. A class of dependents reliant on their social programs. Keeps them in office.

Independent self reliant people don't need socialist Democrats.

The burger-flipping, mopping, sweeping and coffee-pouring jobs are the aftermath of socialist policies designed to chase the good jobs away leaving jobs that force people to seek supplements.

Result?

Socialist Democrats happily entrenched.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
I posted a thread over in a deer hunting forum

that had this for a header:

"I voted for Trump in 2016, but he has to be dumped this November!"

It was posted in their "off-topic" forum.

They summarily banned me for "being a weirdo".

Fine then, I hope flipping burgers at McDonalds makes them just enough money to go hunting for gophers with a BB gun.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Is Sanders best for the American working class? Is he our best hope to revive a strong middle class? What were the working American income bracket percentages under Obama as compared with Dubya Bush before him?

I don't know if he's the "best" or the "least among many evils." I think the best thing that could happen for America's working class is a revitalized and stronger labor movement.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I posted a thread over in a deer hunting forum

that had this for a header:

"I voted for Trump in 2016, but he has to be dumped this November!"

It was posted in their "off-topic" forum.

They summarily banned me for "being a weirdo".

Fine then, I hope flipping burgers at McDonalds makes them just enough money to go hunting for gophers with a BB gun.

Fortunately for both of us, RF is a bit more tolerant of "weirdos" than I might expect from a deer hunting forum.

But then again, deer hunters sing Frankie Valli tunes and play Russian Roulette, so I don't think they have much room to talk in calling people "weird."
 
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