McBell
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what does this have to do with Eric The God-Eating Magic Penguin?
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Knock out argument for God's existence (from his vision)
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Not my conclusion. But hey, I am from this world (meaning my conclusion might always change)
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I have not forgotten, but busy with school. I will write support for the following when I have time:
(1) How we know we have an exact precise value to who we are.
(2) Why we need vision for that precise value to who we are.
(3) The problems that arise if we don't believe we have an exact precise value judgment to who we are.
(4) Why only God fully perceive us and hence that our true existence is in God's command/word/vision/light/sight/knowledge/hearing.
(1) How we know we have an exact precise value to who we are.
(2) Why we need vision for that precise value to who we are.
(3) The problems that arise if we don't believe we have an exact precise value judgment to who we are.
(4) Why only God fully perceive us and hence that our true existence is in God's command/word/vision/light/sight/knowledge/hearing.
But we are an illusion. And that's the whole problem here. Everything we think we are, is a construct of our minds. It's not who we really are. The way to see God, is to die to that. So until that death occurs, we live in an illusion of the mind.
(1) How we know we have an exact precise value to who we are.
When it comes to seeing ourselves to be real, it can't be physical proven. We can proven that we believe we are real and further more, if we assess our belief, we find the justification for this, is through something that is beyond the five senses.
When I am talking about who we are, who we are even if you believe is generated by a physical thing is not a physical thing, in this case, if naturalism was true, it would be a program. The program and the experience is non-physical. Although it can be argued all things are in fact word/idea/light type existence and physical is an illusion, I will not be relying on this since that is a different way to prove God.
We will assume physical world is possible or naturalism may be true in this premise - while the conclusion refutes naturalism, we aren't asserting it as impossible now.
To know we have an exact value, is to believe, like when you see the sun, it has an exact measurement though you may not know what is through observation. There is light being provided through our selves, we see it to be real, but we don't our exact reality. The fact we don't know our exact reality doesn't change that we do know we have an exact reality.
To prove we have this knowledge, see when you praise another human for an action or past actions. You believe their actions and who they are - are connected. You believe their deeds some how built who they are in truth. That truth is a reality, precise and exact and relies on a judgment that is not possible to err. Later on we will be looking how that judgment has to be God and also we will be looking at how this exact value and vision of it is necessary by something.
You can see it for every action you've done - you believe they form part of who you are. Yes, there is redemption and regret which erases when done together, bad deeds, but negative deeds also we can see deconstruct what we build from good deeds.
Some evil deeds are such that they nullify all good deeds, like murder, if you murder purposely and out of malice, no matter how much good deeds you've done, they don't amount to anything anymore.
This reality - is that we believe who we are and actions, of different types, with different intentions and states, directly build who we are or deconstruct us.
Is this belief grounded, or is an illusion? The only way to know is to look within and see who you are. Furthermore, to add that we know we have an exact value is to say we can't even estimate or draw a fuzzy picture of who we are without knowledge that we have an exact value or it would be totally misguidance. Whenever we attempt to do this, we do so with belief there is an exact value. Of course, to know we aren't deluded is to know we are fully justified to estimate or have some sense of self with respect to our deeds.
You can see it yourself, if you believe nothing is there, you won't even try to say you are justified in estimating! Estimate to what? Close to what? It would be an illusion like I briefly explained in my video.
When it comes to seeing ourselves to be real, it can't be physical proven. We can proven that we believe we are real and further more, if we assess our belief, we find the justification for this, is through something that is beyond the five senses.
When I am talking about who we are, who we are even if you believe is generated by a physical thing is not a physical thing, in this case, if naturalism was true, it would be a program. The program and the experience is non-physical. Although it can be argued all things are in fact word/idea/light type existence and physical is an illusion, I will not be relying on this since that is a different way to prove God.
We will assume physical world is possible or naturalism may be true in this premise - while the conclusion refutes naturalism, we aren't asserting it as impossible now.
To know we have an exact value, is to believe, like when you see the sun, it has an exact measurement though you may not know what is through observation. There is light being provided through our selves, we see it to be real, but we don't our exact reality. The fact we don't know our exact reality doesn't change that we do know we have an exact reality.
To prove we have this knowledge, see when you praise another human for an action or past actions. You believe their actions and who they are - are connected. You believe their deeds some how built who they are in truth. That truth is a reality, precise and exact and relies on a judgment that is not possible to err. Later on we will be looking how that judgment has to be God and also we will be looking at how this exact value and vision of it is necessary by something.
You can see it for every action you've done - you believe they form part of who you are. Yes, there is redemption and regret which erases when done together, bad deeds, but negative deeds also we can see deconstruct what we build from good deeds.
Some evil deeds are such that they nullify all good deeds, like murder, if you murder purposely and out of malice, no matter how much good deeds you've done, they don't amount to anything anymore.
This reality - is that we believe who we are and actions, of different types, with different intentions and states, directly build who we are or deconstruct us.
Is this belief grounded, or is an illusion? The only way to know is to look within and see who you are. Furthermore, to add that we know we have an exact value is to say we can't even estimate or draw a fuzzy picture of who we are without knowledge that we have an exact value or it would be totally misguidance. Whenever we attempt to do this, we do so with belief there is an exact value. Of course, to know we aren't deluded is to know we are fully justified to estimate or have some sense of self with respect to our deeds.
You can see it yourself, if you believe nothing is there, you won't even try to say you are justified in estimating! Estimate to what? Close to what? It would be an illusion like I briefly explained in my video.
dybmh
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It's an interesting idea, Link. For me ( and I'm not saying this is healthy ) I view myself thru other people's reactions to me. The collective defines what's real ... for me. It could be a problem... I'll spend some time thinking about what you said, though.
I especially like this part:
"that we know we have an exact value is to say we can't even estimate or draw a fuzzy picture of who we are without knowledge that we have an exact value or it would be totally misguidance. Whenever we attempt to do this, we do so with belief there is an exact value."
Thank you,
rational experiences
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O stone, the planet is the reality of a timed owner.
The atmospheric body as owned by the O stone body, shifts through space, as the entity God.
We do not own that realization as a human, we just discuss its relativity which is titled philosophy...and not science/machine/reaction.
O without stone existing there is not such statement as time or light, in reality.
Therefore philosophy said God O the stone is the Creator to bring the human lying mind psyche into its owned conscious precepts...to not lie in science/machine/reaction cause.
O due to stone mass existing, a male said I thought about our cycle of a O planet, a round body moving around another round body O the Sun. And so imposed time as a flat plane model O to think.
For space is that flat plane and gases fill in the flat plane by gas mass but leaves spatial emptiness also. Where my conscious self exists thinking.
So I said, so gas presence is timed light by comparison to O a stone body, the original owner of O the circle. Without that stone mass O circular body, I would not be enabled to contemplate time or shift or movement.
And as O stone is a solid mass of a measure of length/breadth and depth, then time is not relative to length/breadth and depth, it is just lived and experienced consciously.....by a mind thinking.
For relative self in experience, is only living due to stone, O the mass planetary body existing first...as a rational application to think about first.
To think secondarily is fake...for I then impose that I am owner O of stone, the mass and then the secondary living experience, my conscious ideals in the gas mass.
So I imposed my life is lived as just one self. I only own my own self as one and therefore should honour and reverence self presence.
Yet science does not.
The atmospheric body as owned by the O stone body, shifts through space, as the entity God.
We do not own that realization as a human, we just discuss its relativity which is titled philosophy...and not science/machine/reaction.
O without stone existing there is not such statement as time or light, in reality.
Therefore philosophy said God O the stone is the Creator to bring the human lying mind psyche into its owned conscious precepts...to not lie in science/machine/reaction cause.
O due to stone mass existing, a male said I thought about our cycle of a O planet, a round body moving around another round body O the Sun. And so imposed time as a flat plane model O to think.
For space is that flat plane and gases fill in the flat plane by gas mass but leaves spatial emptiness also. Where my conscious self exists thinking.
So I said, so gas presence is timed light by comparison to O a stone body, the original owner of O the circle. Without that stone mass O circular body, I would not be enabled to contemplate time or shift or movement.
And as O stone is a solid mass of a measure of length/breadth and depth, then time is not relative to length/breadth and depth, it is just lived and experienced consciously.....by a mind thinking.
For relative self in experience, is only living due to stone, O the mass planetary body existing first...as a rational application to think about first.
To think secondarily is fake...for I then impose that I am owner O of stone, the mass and then the secondary living experience, my conscious ideals in the gas mass.
So I imposed my life is lived as just one self. I only own my own self as one and therefore should honour and reverence self presence.
Yet science does not.
To say we require vision to who we are, is to say who we are is not a physical thing. It's not like a physical object. Our traits like the amount of honor or love or generosity, all this, is not a physical state, although our physical brains are related to this, it's not measured by physical qualities. Our level of height to who we are, and where we are and the beauty of who we are, all this, is non-physical.
This simply to demonstrate who we are and vision, is required, whether we are that generates this vision or God, is not what is being debated in this post. Just the premise who we are requires vision.
So far, I've proven "we know we have an exact value", and proven "who we are requires vision to properly exist".
I will go to 4 next, then will go back to 3 which is just additional support for 1.
This simply to demonstrate who we are and vision, is required, whether we are that generates this vision or God, is not what is being debated in this post. Just the premise who we are requires vision.
So far, I've proven "we know we have an exact value", and proven "who we are requires vision to properly exist".
I will go to 4 next, then will go back to 3 which is just additional support for 1.
rational experiences
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Males in their thinking form contradictive arguments with self.
You say the physical brain, so you have to own a physical body.
Maybe when you say you have a physical body, maybe you say you have a non present mind....which is correct.
The mind is the lying condition in a males historic science life.
Vision is real, proven by building operating and control of machines....so the physical mass owns the product of the vision in the vision of the physical mass.
To which a bio life does not belong and we are consciously transitory for eventually we die in an irradiated state...that remains naturally constant.
Water our life, constant.
Oxygen our life, constant....we the bio life are in transit...which gives the human conscious psyche the ideas of what it tries to explain innocently and spiritually without being a scientist, who only deals with mass/mass radiation change to change mass....introduction of which changed our minds, for MASS cold radiation supported a correct thinking mind...….increased radiation mass for conversion changed our spiritual minds and gave it an unreality in thinking.
Just because of a male choice, that is a wrong choice, a fake choice, an artificial choice, a self destructive choice...as it proves it is. Science does not exist by itself, it is a violation of natural law.
As for why we need a perfect judge, just imagine being judged by another human and him telling you this is exactly what you are, you would be repulsed. And now imagine Aliens much more intelligent then you judging you, you would be repulsed. In fact, see that in your heart, you won't accept any fully accurate view of who you are but God himself, and as for the witness who witness to be a proof on the day of judgment, they witness through God but even them, they don't know us fully and God has hidden to them a degree of who we are and all are actions to some degree are hidden. They see our actions and knows us better then ourselves true, but see that, only God can fully accurately see who we are.
You when you try to judge yourself find yourself lost on where to be really begin, and it's been hard all your life to have a perspective. You aren't certain and you have ball bark understanding and even not sure if you are right about that. This while if you exist and who you are is a reality, it has an exact measurement, and God knows and measures all images and actions of souls.
You when you try to judge yourself find yourself lost on where to be really begin, and it's been hard all your life to have a perspective. You aren't certain and you have ball bark understanding and even not sure if you are right about that. This while if you exist and who you are is a reality, it has an exact measurement, and God knows and measures all images and actions of souls.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Science in a human life is the evil of our own choice.
The story of a male group who chose science first were spiritual and holier than what anyone us are today. We live irradiated converted.
The male science teaching said that they did a nuclear reaction fission on the ground with their pyramid, as loving, spiritual males as a very large group, same family DNA history.....as a large self agreed choice.
We are interactive with that first original memory, first male science, who looked at a vision of Earth in its past reactive history, when no Nature or life even existed.
Ground reacted/attacked and split the water mass that their own holy life was using, and got irradiated converted. And then the recording of it, made in the image of God formed.
So what they once owned, was given to the evil science cause itself.....and a higher loving male memory of a group of males as a mass communicated back to our psyche with a male vision ever since.
We always were taught that by the year 2012 after Earth as God O had changed and developed in a colder space body, deeper in space with the prophet asteroid stone bodies releasing their spirit gases to cool irradiated space, that the body of God made in the image of would disappear and we would re inherit what got taken away from us a very long time ago.
What the story about God was always about.....and we, the spiritual being always said, we came out of the eternal body, after the gases filled back in the burnt gas mass that had been removed forcibly from existing as the eternal. Spirit forms in eternal were forced to come out into the atmosphere on Earth....why we know we came from a higher place to a lower place.
We identify science by that reasoning, to take what is higher and put it in the lower.