• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Iran admits to shooting down plane

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
nPeace said:
Thank you.
After giving this some thought, I no longer believe this had anything to do with nervous reactions.
I think this was retaliation by those who worshiped their assassinated hero.
The claim seems bogus.
For one thing, it was night - dark, so how was the plane's maneuvering detected?
Secondly, is this the first plane along this route, in all the history of Canadian flights?

I don't think so.
I think some who though Qassem Suleimani was their 'god' decided. "You know what... :mad:. Casualties don't need to be in uniform. This is war.

Just my opinion.
Click to expand...
Iran would know that with around 1% of Canuckistanians being ethnic or ex-pat
Iranians, there'd be quite a few of them on board....& there were. Shooting down
this flight in retaliation would make no sense. Contrast this with Ameristan shooting
down Iran Air Flight 655....we downed it during daylight hours. Yet all acknowledge
that this was an accident.
 
Last edited:
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
nPeace said:
human error?
Really? Yeah right.
They just nervously thought it was a US bomber. IMO.
Click to expand...

That would in fact constitute human error.....Stuff like this happens when people are shooting at each other...doesn't make it right, but there should be no surprise.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
Iran would know that with around 1% of Canuckistanians being ethnic or ex-pat
Iranians, there'd be quite a few of them on board....& there were. Shooting down
this flight in retaliation would bake no sense. Contrast this with Ameristan shooting
down Iran Air Flight 655....we downed it during daylight hours. Yet all acknowledge
that this was an accident.
Click to expand...
Human nature does not always follow the rules of what makes sense.
When anger ensues, irrationality often ensues.
God knows. I don't, but it's my opinion.
If one can give me a good reason why they would claim they knew it was a plane, but thought the maneuverability looked suspicious, and then change the story... or was that Fake News?
If it wasn't, then if they gave satisfactory answers to the two questions, I might change my mind.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
Iran would know that with around 1% of Canuckistanians being ethnic or ex-pat
Iranians, there'd be quite a few of them on board....& there were. Shooting down
this flight in retaliation would bake no sense. Contrast this with Ameristan shooting
down Iran Air Flight 655....we downed it during daylight hours. Yet all acknowledge
that this was an accident.
Click to expand...
Nigh or day it doesn't matter because the range of the missile exceeds the range of the human eye and in today's surface to air engagements target identification is via radar not the human eye. Especially if the system is in full auto mode if so equipped. Something tells me the Russian Tor M1 missile system was in full auto mode.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
The person who fired the missiles apparently thought it was an American cruise missile:

Iran's admission of guilt over plane crash sparks unrest in Tehran
Click to expand...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-plane-crash-admission-sparks-unrest-in-tehran

Coming from Tehran airport....

The mind boggles as to them not securing the safety of planes taking off from their own airports. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Iran didn't as Iran wanted to create an incident. The problem was America didn't bite instead Iran messed up.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Shad said:
Coming from Tehran airport....



Iran didn't as Iran wanted to create an incident. The problem was America didn't bite instead Iran messed up.
Click to expand...

You really think they would do this and risk getting caught?
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
You really think they would do this and risk getting caught?
Click to expand...

Did Iran shut down commercial flight when it launched it's missiles? No it didn't. Ergo Iran wanted to see an incident otherwise it would have shutdown commercial travel. The only problem was Iran caused the incident instead of an American counter attack
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Shad said:
Did Iran shut down commercial flight when it launched it's missiles? No it didn't. Ergo Iran wanted to see an incident otherwise it would have shutdown commercial travel. The only problem was Iran caused the incident instead of an American counter attack
Click to expand...
Not exactly accurate.
The plane took off 5 hours after the attack. However, Iran should have closed their airspace for at least 24 hrs or longer
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
Thank you.
After giving this some thought, I no longer believe this had anything to do with nervous reactions.
I think this was retaliation by those who worshiped their assassinated hero.
The claim seems bogus.
For one thing, it was night - dark, so how was the plane's maneuvering detected?
Secondly, is this the first plane along this route, in all the history of Canadian flights?

I don't think so.
I think some who though Qassem Suleimani was their 'god' decided. "You know what... :mad:. Casualties don't need to be in uniform. This is war.

Just my opinion.
Click to expand...

Also consider the weapon system used which as far as I know Iran didn't release information on. If using a Russian weapons platform often the crew has a duty to check ID as many Russian systems are incapable of determining FoF ID. So communications with a radar system or communications network for the defense area is routine. Shoulder mounted systems are even worse when it comes to ID
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
esmith said:
Not exactly accurate.
The plane took off 5 hours after the attack. However, Iran should have closed their airspace for at least 24 hrs or longer
Click to expand...

Read my post again.

Did Iran shut down commercial traffic when it launched it's attack? Yes or No?
Did Iran shut down commercial traffic for an expected US counter-strike? Yes or No?

You combined two points into one time-frame when I stated no such thing. I said the reason for not doing either was in the hopes of creating an incident which could be blamed on the US. Instead an Iranian soldier(s) messed up because of policy determined above their pay grade.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Shad said:
Did Iran shut down commercial flight when it launched it's missiles? No it didn't. Ergo Iran wanted to see an incident otherwise it would have shutdown commercial travel. The only problem was Iran caused the incident instead of an American counter attack
Click to expand...

That still doesn't preclude the possibility of an over-enthusiastic, yet inexperienced operator though - which is the more likely explanation.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
That still doesn't preclude the possibility of an over-enthusiastic, yet inexperienced operator though - which is the more likely explanation.
Click to expand...

I said Iran wanted an incident. I didn't say Iran shot it down on purpose. Read my post again.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top