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Things like this make the world rotten.

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
FAA investigating Delta jet fuel-dumping on schoolkids

Delta Airlines should be summarily sued out of business by those who were dumped on.

Not only does fuel hurt people on the ground it hurts the environment as well.

I hate Delta anyway. I flew with them once only ,in 1999, and will never do it again. They put me through several hours of hell at the airport in Atlanta when I tried to recover my expensive prescription sunglasses I left on the plane by mistake. How hard is it for somebody to walk onto the stupid plane and see if my glasses were left on the seat where I was sitting? After a lot of hell, getting on the telephone even, I finally got the stupid things back. I like Southwest much better. My mother always told me she hated Delta as she traveled a lot with her friend to the ruins of Mexico in the 1980's.
 
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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
FAA investigating Delta jet fuel-dumping on schoolkids

Delta Airlines should be summarily sued out of business by those who were dumped on.

Not only does fuel hurt people on the ground it hurts the environment as well.

I hate Delta anyway. I flew with them once only ,in 1999, and will never do it again. They put me through several hours of hell at the airport in Atlanta when I tried to recover my expensive prescription sunglasses I left on the plane by mistake. How hard is it for somebody to walk onto the stupid plane and see if my glasses were left on the seat where I was sitting? After a lot of hell, getting on the telephone even, I finally got the stupid things back. I like Southwest much better. My mother always told me she hated Delta as she traveled a lot with her friend to the ruins of Mexico in the 1980's.
I'm slightly amused by how the flight plan makes it look like the whole flight took off with the intention of dumping jet fuel on a bunch of kids.

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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
FAA investigating Delta jet fuel-dumping on schoolkids

Delta Airlines should be summarily sued out of business by those who were dumped on.

Not only does fuel hurt people on the ground it hurts the environment as well.

I hate Delta anyway. I flew with them once only ,in 1999, and will never do it again. They put me through several hours of hell at the airport in Atlanta when I tried to recover my expensive prescription sunglasses I left on the plane by mistake. How hard is it for somebody to walk onto the stupid plane and see if my glasses were left on the seat where I was sitting? After a lot of hell, getting on the telephone even, I finally got the stupid things back. I like Southwest much better. My mother always told me she hated Delta as she traveled a lot with her friend to the ruins of Mexico in the 1980's.
Okay this I will agree with this. If this was in any way intentional, the people responsible are rotten to the core. Like seriously wtf?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
So a few kids had to take an extra bath as opposed to the possible incineration of a hundred people....hmmmm...tough choice.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Now, I know little about the flight characteristics of this aircraft, but I do know that a compressor stall says that engine is no longer functional.
I have heard that the "normal" procedures for dumping of fuel is to be above, I think 5000 ft, so that the fuel will evaporate before it reaches the ground and that it should be done over non-populated areas including the ocean.
Now I'm putting myself in the pilots seat.... I've just lost an engine, I have aircraft full of people, I'm way above the safe weight to land.
Questions:
Can I climb to the recommended altitude to dump fuel? Not in a short period of time and do I have that time?
Can I risk going to a safe area to dump fuel or should I get the bird back down as soon as possible?
Answers:
Dumping fuel at this altitude will not risk lives or very few lives
Not getting this plane down as soon as possible is risking the lives of everyone on-board
Decision:
Get this plan down as soon as possible.
The pilot made the correct decision.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Okay this I will agree with this. If this was in any way intentional, the people responsible are rotten to the core. Like seriously wtf?

The idiots should have at least dumped the fuel in the water than right over a population. Regardless, I hope Delta gets put out of business over this or bought out by Southwest Airlines or something. Why did the fuel even have to be dumped anyway? One engine was working perfectly well and the landing gear was working. Something in federal legislation has to be done about this maybe. If I had my way, airports would be situated miles and miles away from any populations by law.

What if those people exposed to the fuel get cancer later on? Did the fuel not create a fire hazard on the ground?
 
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Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
The idiots should have at least dumped the fuel in the water than right over a population. Regardless, I hope Delta gets put out of business over this or bought out by Southwest Airlines or something. Why did the fuel even have to be dumped anyway? One engine was working perfectly well and the landing gear was working. Something in federal legislation has to be done about this maybe. If I had my way, airports would be situated miles and miles away from any populations by law.

Are you joking? A plane with one engine down already. Should in your view not land but take a detour over water!
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Okay this I will agree with this. If this was in any way intentional, the people responsible are rotten to the core. Like seriously wtf?

Happens all of the time... However, usually this is done at altitude and not over civilian areas (unless it's a real emergency). A plane can actually have too much weight to land and they are dumping it for that reason. Planes these days can take off at a much heavier weight than they can land at and usually this is why they are really careful just to put enough fuel + a sensible reserve in it. That being said mistakes get made and if the flight crew doesn't dump the fuel they will crash the plane. Fuel is _always_ dumped in the case where there is an on-board emergency and the plane has to immediately turn around -- there is simply no way it can land with full tanks without destroying the plane. Essentially, this is working as intended... The real mistake is that this was done over a residential area -- that's not the correct procedure. :D
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Are you joking? A plane with one engine down already. Should in your view not land but take a detour over water!

I know enough about aircraft to say the plane could hold altitude on one engine over water long enough and dump the fuel. If the other engine goes out, a good pilot can bring the plane down on water as the pilot did on the Hudson River. No one hurt there. No plane should ever be so heavy that it can't land safely without dumping fuel anyway.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
The idiots should have at least dumped the fuel in the water than right over a population. Regardless, I hope Delta gets put out of business over this or bought out by Southwest Airlines or something. Why did the fuel even have to be dumped anyway? One engine was working perfectly well and the landing gear was working. Something in federal legislation has to be done about this maybe. If I had my way, airports would be situated miles and miles away from any populations by law.

What if those people exposed to the fuel get cancer later on? Did the fuel not create a fire hazard on the ground?


If you're ever on a plane that looses an engine or two, I'm sure you'll run up to the cockpit and say "...pleas, sir, could you make sure you don't dump fuel on someone on the ground...".
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
I know enough about aircraft to say the plane could hold altitude on one engine over water long enough and dump the fuel. If the other engine goes out, a good pilot can bring the plane down on water as the pilot did on the No one hurt there. No plane should ever be so heavy that it can't land safely without dumping fuel anyway.

You mean you know **** all!! From the article you posted 'The pilot reported a compressor stall in the right engine — damage to a jet turbine that can occur through malfunction or when a foreign object such as a bird hits an engine. The damage can reduce engine thrust or, in worst cases, lead to a fire. Planes can take off weighted down for their journey, but if they must land early because of an emergency, it can be necessary to dump fuel so that the aircraft is lighter to avoid damage.'

So in your view the pilot should have risked fire

Then you bring up the Hudson River incident like landing on water is completely risk free, Sully's landing was miraculous for many reasons, but even Sully would tell you how it could have gone drastically wrong
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I know enough about aircraft to say the plane could hold altitude on one engine over water long enough and dump the fuel. If the other engine goes out, a good pilot can bring the plane down on water as the pilot did on the Hudson River. No one hurt there. No plane should ever be so heavy that it can't land safely without dumping fuel anyway.
Are you really so familiar with commercial airliners, their emergency
procedures, & this situation to make your claims with such certainty?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You hereby lose your looney liberal certification!
I even agree with you upon occasion which proves that loony conservatives and loony libertarians sometimes make sense. But don't worry, I'm sure we'll go it with hammer and tongs very soon. ;):rolleyes:
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Are you really so familiar with commercial airliners, their emergency
procedures, & this situation to make your claims with such certainty?

We also need to figure out whose FAULT this emergency was? Whose fault was it that the engine even failed in the first place?

How much money should each and every child doused with fuel receive for damages?

One million dollars?

I would be calling up law firms as quick as a flash. Delta can't get away with murder like this. Justice must be served. There could be a class action.
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
We also need to figure out whose FAULT this emergency was? Whose fault was it that the engine even failed in the first place?

How much money should each and every child doused with fuel receive for damages?

One million dollars?

I would be calling up law firms as quick as a flash. Delta can't get away with murder like this. Justice must be served. There could be a class action.

Murder, get a grip dude
 
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