In your understanding. How old is human race? and when was the first being alive on earth?

Wild Fox said:

No matter how you try to twist the meaning of words into what you want they still add up to nonsense. You don't have any evidence that Adam and Eve as stated existed outside of your desire. It does not match world archeology, does not match the evidence out of fossil evidence in Africa, does not account for the diversity of humans, and most of all must depend on creative word interpretation to fit what the believer wants.

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Hi there. You seem to have accidentally responded to me as if i was someone else. Possibly my fault.

One thing to suggest tho, to read great poetry and such, try to set aside expectations, notions, prejudices, and just read. It's just what I've found works best for getting the subtle, good stuff. Modern Americans have too much an idea they are supposed to judge stuff they haven't encountered yet.

halbhh said:

Hi there. You seem to have accidentally responded to me as if i was someone else. Possibly my fault.

One thing to suggest tho, to read great poetry and such, try to set aside expectations, notions, prejudices, and just read. It's just what I've found works best for getting the subtle, good stuff. Modern Americans have too much an idea they are supposed to judge stuff they haven't encountered yet.

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How is that relevant? This isn't a discussion of poetry, but of human ancestry. Even if a piece of poetry is very moving, it doesn't make it true.

Polymath257 said:

How is that relevant? This isn't a discussion of poetry, but of human ancestry. Even if a piece of poetry is very moving, it doesn't make it true.

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Hello. We were of course in a side digression. Some are interested in other related topics and then those topics progress. But it's always good to come back to the OP at times if it feels it's not been addressed well enough.

While I addressed the OP in post #47, here:
In your understanding. How old is human race? and when was the first being alive on earth?

I think no one in particular felt a need to discuss this science information I presented, and in a bit more here (from post #50):

"I'd seen reports of evidence for an earlier time. Here's the current summary in the wiki --

"The earliest time that life forms first appeared on Earth is at least 3.77 billion years ago, possibly as early as 4.28 billion years,[1] or even 4.5 billion years;[3][4] not long after the oceans formed 4.41 billion years ago, and after the formation of the Earth 4.54 billion years ago.[1][2][5][6] The earliest direct evidence of life on Earth are microfossils of microorganisms permineralized in 3.465-billion-year-old Australian Apex chert rocks.[7][8]
Earliest known life forms - Wikipedia

I do find it a very interesting topic though! I think life starts commonly in the Universe everywhere there is even a modestly ok condition, but then is most often extinguished. Only on rare planets will there be the necessary stable conditions that persist for the billions of years needed for advanced life. It's a truly interesting topic. Are you interested?

Wild Fox said:

And the evidence to support any of this outside of the interpretation of the bible is what?

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That is another question entirely, and not the subject matter at hand. Apples to oranges.

Wild Fox said:

Oh that right nonexistent.

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This is merely your aprioric assertion.

Wild Fox said:

Myth should be left as myth to teach values not reality!

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Your conclusion is based upon your faulty aprioric ignorance (not knowing) of the factual material readily available to the contrary of your position. Your conlusion erred, because your starting point was in error, and this I know because of the factual material I do know of and can share with you or any.

halbhh said:

...Meaning in this instance for example some period of time of probably a decade or 2 duration (or more), long ago. This common way of using the word "day" depends on what general context suggests, see.

Now look at this Genesis verse:

verse 2:4 --
"These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens." ...

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Genesis 5:1's use of the word, is not the same use as in Genesis 2:4. Genesis 5:1 is specific to the actual 6th day, in which Adam was created, and those references were given.

Genesis 2:4 does not give license for millions or billions of years. Genesis 2:4(a) is even referring to the exact "when", in each of those 6 days (Genesis 1:1-31), with God resting the 7th, Genesis 2:1-3. It even speaks of that which was created in those specific days.

Genesis 2:4's use of "day", could not use a metaphorical use, without there first being used the natural day before it. The natural use always exist before any other use, and this use is given in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3. It even delineates night and day (light time), with ordered numerical attachment (One, 2nd, 3rd ... 7th), which in every single case in scripture is always a natural 24 hour day.

Furthermore, since Adam was created in the 6th day, and lived into the 7th, and beyond (as the Sabbath was made for "the man" (Mark 2:27-28; "Adam" Ecclesiastes 12:13-14), we know they are natural days, even as "the process of time" later continued from Genesis 1:14.

Genesis 5 even makes use of the distinction between "days" and "years", as did Genesis 1:14.

coconut theology said:

Genesis 5:1's use of the word, is not the same use as in Genesis 2:4. Genesis 5:1 is specific to the actual 6th day, in which Adam was created, and those references were given.

Genesis 2:4 does not give license for millions or billions of years. Genesis 2:4(a) is even referring to the exact "when", in each of those 6 days (Genesis 1:1-31), with God resting the 7th, Genesis 2:1-3. It even speaks of that which was created in those specific days.

Genesis 2:4's use of "day", could not use a metaphorical use, without there first being used the natural day before it. The natural use always exist before any other use, and this use is given in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3. It even delineates night and day (light time), with ordered numerical attachment (One, 2nd, 3rd ... 7th), which in every single case in scripture is always a natural 24 hour day.

Furthermore, since Adam was created in the 6th day, and lived into the 7th, and beyond (as the Sabbath was made for "the man" (Mark 2:27-28; "Adam" Ecclesiastes 12:13-14), we know they are natural days, even as "the process of time" later continued from Genesis 1:14.

Genesis 5 even makes use of the distinction between "days" and "years", as did Genesis 1:14.

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I think I made a mistake to isolate a verse and try to discuss it, because that sounds like arguing, and then people tend to react and argue.

Instead, we should all hope to stop talking over God in our minds with our doctrines -- our own doctrines -- and put those doctrines aside, and truly listen to His words, with pure and total listening, and just hear.

So that as we read, instead of us doing the talking in our minds, we are silent and He is doing the talking.

So that we are listening to Him, instead of to ourselves.

Ideally, we want to read Genesis as if....

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....as if you just woke up in the very first dawn of the world, and you listen and hear.

4,500,000,000.

Lived and died on Earth several times. Mutated life by ancient science pyramid causes. Alive today and living in the condition light/sun radiation owner of light.

Can look at the presence of microbes as microbes whilst we live and exist.

Microbes changed.....humans returned to their own natural homo sapien form by natural evolution....after the ICE AGE changed the Earth gas mass back to a colder gas heavenly body.

To live in a radiation state, the created life body has to be as old as the radiation state, to be living, not as any radiation state.

Human science reasoning. Late 1800s did nuclear radiation experiments, changing the naturally fused radiation, instant Earth attack from Sun collapsed history, hit Russia forest...sacrifice of wood.

Why a human psyche consciousness thinks that they are a constant presence in the Universe, when natural light/radiation allows their ancient memory to exist in the knowledge of how old human life existed created.

I suppose how long we human have been alive depends on how it is defined. Do mean modern humans, proto-humans, homo sapiens? For example, I submitted a sample to the National Geographic "Genographic" study for them to sequence my DNA. The provided info all the way back to the H1 haplogroup among populations who left Africa (Ethiopia) about 67 millennia ago. Of course, we were in Africa long before that migration. However I have 2.4% Neanderthal DNA and 2.5% Denisovan DNA (which I think is way cool) and generally, those have been considered separate species. Although we generally define separate species as those who do not interbreed, which clearly Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Sapiens did.

GardenLady said:

I suppose how long we human have been alive depends on how it is defined. Do mean modern humans, proto-humans, homo sapiens? For example, I submitted a sample to the National Geographic "Genographic" study for them to sequence my DNA. The provided info all the way back to the H1 haplogroup among populations who left Africa (Ethiopia) about 67 millennia ago. Of course, we were in Africa long before that migration. However I have 2.4% Neanderthal DNA and 2.5% Denisovan DNA (which I think is way cool) and generally, those have been considered separate species. Although we generally define separate species as those who do not interbreed, which clearly Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Sapiens did.

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Good, another sensible person!

SalixIncendium said:

In our current iteration as homo sapiens? About 200,000 years old.

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I disagree with any specific dates even estimates, because humans evolved by populations of a diversity of varieties, subspecies and species? over more than 300,000 years years ago, our immediate ancestors were too similar to humans to draw any kind of time line and our ancestors before were very closely related populations like Neanderthals and Denisons. .

Timeline of human evolution - Wikipedia

Fossils attributed to H. sapiens, along with stone tools, dated to approximately 300,000 years ago, found at Jebel Irhoud, Morocco[47] yield the earliest fossil evidence for anatomically modern Homo sapiens. Modern human presence in East Africa (Gademotta), at 276 kya.[48] A 177,000-year-old jawbone fossil discovered in Israel in 2017 is the oldest human remains found outside Africa.[49] However, in July 2019, anthropologists reported the discovery of 210,000 year old remains of a H. sapiens and 170,000 year old remains of a H. neanderthalensis in Apidima Cave, Peloponnese, Greece, more than 150,000 years older than previous H. sapiens finds in Europe.

The problem is there are too many similar anatomical similar subspecies over time that are similar and consider Homo and ancestors to humans. The following demonstrates that there is no clear first human in the ancestry of modern humans.

World's oldest human DNA found in 800,000-year-old tooth of a cannibal


By Brandon Specktor - Senior Writer April 03, 2020

A protein analysis suggests the supposed cannibal species Homo antecessor was distantly related to humans and Neanderthals.


Skeletal remains of Homo antecessor — an archaic relative of modern humans — found in Spain.
(Image: © Prof. José María Bermúdez de Castro)

In 1994, archaeologists digging in the Atapuerca Mountains in northern Spain discovered the fossilized remains of an archaic group of humans unlike any other ever seen. The bones were cut and fractured, and appeared to have been cannibalized. The largest skeletal fragments — which came from at least six individuals and dated to at least 800,000 years ago — shared some similarities with modern humans (Homo sapiens), plus other now-extinct human relatives like Neanderthals and Denisovans, but were just different enough to defy classification as any known species.

Researchers ultimately named the previously unknown hominins Homo antecessor, borrowing the Latin word for "predecessor." Because the bones were among the oldest Homo fossils ever found in Europe, some researchers speculated that H. antecessor may have been the elusive common ancestor of Neanderthals, Denisovans and modern humans. Now, a new study of H. antecessor's DNA — the single oldest sample of human genetic material ever analyzed — argues that that's probably not the case.

Nature, researchers sequenced the ancient proteins in the enamel of an 800,000-year-old H. antecessor tooth, using the proteins to decipher the portion of genetic code that created them. After comparing that code with genetic data from more recent human tooth samples, the team concluded that H. antecessor's DNA was too different to fit on the same branch of the evolutionary tree as humans, Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Rather, the team wrote, H. antecessor was probably a "sister species" of the shared ancestor that led to the evolution of modern humans and our extinct hominin cousins.

Related: What made ancient hominins cannibals? Humans were nutritious and easy prey

"I am happy that the protein study provides evidence that the Homo antecessor species may be closely related to the last common ancestor of Homo sapiens, Neanderthals, and Denisovans," study co-author José María Bermúdez de Castro, scientific co-director of the excavations in Atapuerca, said in a statement. "The features shared by Homo antecessor with these hominins clearly appeared much earlier than previously thought."

A digital recreation of a Homo antecessor fossil found in Spain. (Image credit: Prof. Laura Martín-Francés)


To reach these results, the researchers used a method called paleoproteomics — literally, the study of ancient proteins. Using mass spectrometry, which displays the masses of all the molecules in a sample, scientists can identify the specific proteins in a given fossil. Our cells build proteins according to instructions contained in our DNA, with three nucleotides, or letters, in a string of DNA coding for a specific amino acid. Strings of amino acids form a protein. So, the amino acid chains that form each person's unique protein sequence reveal the patterns of nucleotides that form that person's genetic code, lead study author Frido Welker, a molecular anthropologist at the University of Copenhagen, told Haaretz.com.

coconut theology said:

Genesis 5:1's use of the word, is not the same use as in Genesis 2:4. Genesis 5:1 is specific to the actual 6th day, in which Adam was created, and those references were given.

Genesis 2:4 does not give license for millions or billions of years. Genesis 2:4(a) is even referring to the exact "when", in each of those 6 days (Genesis 1:1-31), with God resting the 7th, Genesis 2:1-3. It even speaks of that which was created in those specific days.

Genesis 2:4's use of "day", could not use a metaphorical use, without there first being used the natural day before it. The natural use always exist before any other use, and this use is given in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3. It even delineates night and day (light time), with ordered numerical attachment (One, 2nd, 3rd ... 7th), which in every single case in scripture is always a natural 24 hour day.

Furthermore, since Adam was created in the 6th day, and lived into the 7th, and beyond (as the Sabbath was made for "the man" (Mark 2:27-28; "Adam" Ecclesiastes 12:13-14), we know they are natural days, even as "the process of time" later continued from Genesis 1:14.

Genesis 5 even makes use of the distinction between "days" and "years", as did Genesis 1:14.

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Natural 12 hours of day light exists constantly non stop, with no counting.

If a human male science theist wrote a story as a human thinking and hearing information, hearing first says, not his highest male brain/mind state. For to hear voices unnaturally is a chemical brain change condition.

Therefore researching visionary/image information which is involved in a psychic brain/mind human condition with hearing of voice unnaturally (seeing machines were human designed, so machines affected the designer in cause and effect) natural atmospheric image recording/gain of vision got encoded, in the natural body.

Hence it exists by itself encoded, and then new modern day machines use it, as machine conditions.

If a human said I burnt EVEN evening 12 Immaculate heavenly clear gases for 7 days and then the vacuum made it cease.....I changed the body of GOD O the one and first in science, ground fission and it has since non stop released its spirit/radiation which changes the heavenly natural spiritual body held in the Womb of space Holy Mother.

How I personally scientist male human abominated life on Earth.

Day light sky 12 hours since was illuminated with too much gas mass burning, so it falls out as the spatial vacuum, owning natural light in gas mass cannot deal with it. What I knew, says the science male.

7 days burning invented/encoded the held cloud image of man/male/men as the effect, and the EVE even event, came to the ground at my side, and attacked my ribs. Why ADAM the first ground fission science realisation as a man/scientist said it attacked my rib. Why Jesus in the 2000 year ago atmospheric attack/fallout cause once again had his male rib attacked and changed.

In modern times I saw a vision of the notification was when the Pontiff who owned a rib/lung attack would be notified/gain the Jesus correct stories.

The dinosaur existence in gas/heavenly Satanic gases burning fall out, the creation of the giant life was ANTI to my own self existing. So dinosaurs took over the nature of life in the Garden on Earth.

The only reason why ICE cooling killed of the dinosaurs, gave them eternal after life death...held their cells bodies in animated freeze, non decomposition as the proof the atmospheric gas body changed. For bacteria in water causes decomposition. So it was a reactive attack that changed.

I could only come back/reincarnate and return to the true life that lived owning the life with the Nature Garden, human male and female, due to having ANTI removed my original life, that lived a very long time. Archaeological evidence of machine parts inside of stone/volcanic instant freeze proves this fact.

Biological science information historically was already proven wrong.

The God and eternal spirit taught story was already known to be 100 per cent correct, that we came out of the eternal spirit, originally when we die we still own one self in that body. How we taught why and what for and is it karmic and who was wrong themes. We would not own thinking or discussing information in this format if we had not in fact come from a higher spiritual place.

Moses as the modern day after the ICE AGE event proves that they mutated the natural healthy first DNA life owner, otherwise ICE returning constantly to own an atmospheric stable state for the new born human baby and animal life to return would never have been taught in relativity of biology as evidence to self explanation.

Science of the occult/nuclear cosmological thesis is truly evil.

Amanaki said:

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Man as a species Day Six....Chapter One of Genesis

pick a date

Chapter Two of Genesis is not a retelling of Chapter One
and this is where humans begin to wander the earth

pick a date

Thief said:

Man as a species Day Six....Chapter One of Genesis

pick a date

Chapter Two of Genesis is not a retelling of Chapter One
and this is where humans begin to wander the earth

pick a date

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The Moses after the ICE AGE flooded Earth, attack/destruction and stone melt to the temple/pyramid destruction, life mutation, migration occurred from out of the vicinity. Ground was flooded up to a depth of the pyramid walls, which the Sphinx also proves, plus striations for the under ground radiation God release of its SION.

Why mountains are fusion released at the ground level....as the mountain tried to collapse its mass form.

Reason, natural and human self aware advice. Thesis original Atlantis s. o. b. male group historically, who we named as Satanists as based on the Moses review after the fact story.

Moses was not told or known before it occurred it was written in a realisation a long time afterwards...when males began to reinvent knowledge of pyramid sciences in modern day life. How the story was rewritten, as male science occultists sought it. Why they called it the Book of the Dead, fully aware that it was destruction and attack on life.

The same as science males in various groups also are aware of the situation today in modern day life.

The theme Temple of God etched into the God stone building of Sodom and Gomorrah, the angels that warned science of its ensuing attacks as the human life mind/chemical balances changed and life became depraved. Same situation. Chosen again by the God scientists.


Facure stripped off the pyramids as other evidence.
egyptian mountains desert giza - Bing images

The warning given in my life quotes that America as a continent had a great big hole underneath its land mass...where the ancient opening of the Earth occurred and everything fell in.

Science AI reasoning why Earth did not just collapse, vacuum opened which owns the theory Immaculate gas original heavenly body/gases...and in the vacuum opening the cooling sucking upon God Earth mass kept the plate mass on top of the planet...so it reformed.

Why science wanting the Immaculate origins of the highest God stone gases is stated to be why life got sacrificed/destroyed on Earth, Atlantis or sAtanlit the first science cause, Moses the second after the fact event, third after the fact event Jesus.

It is why relativity said God fusion released the equal formula equation for cold radiation fused mass as a science theme...even though they might only be equating it for one machine reaction in one place. The whole of the Earth releases the same fused/held radiation in the same moment.

ICE AGE was stated to be when the spatial vacuum opened again, when the sky went dark to give Earth back its highest historic science wanted O Immaculate only heavens...for they tried to convert planet Earth back into its cosmological highest state which was a whole O Immaculate heavenly mass body.

They tried to turn back time, gases burning, to a non gas burning state which is a fallacy, for in the past gases were already naturally burning in spatial vacuum. Where they learnt that their thesis was false.

Amanaki said:

A: How old is the human race in your understanding?

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I am not sure about “human race”.

The use of term “race”, suggest superficial divisions of humankind, like Caucasian, Asian, Negroid, Polynesian, etc.

Hence, “race” is talking about dividing the populations of people by the colors of their skin, color of their hairs, and so on.

Or racial divisions can be based on even more superficial division, like that of social distinctions, like different languages, different cultures, and so on.

Is that what you mean by “race”?

I get the feeling that’s not what you meant. Is it?

Or are talking about human “species”?

The genus Homo?

Such divisions by races are not the same as real biological distinctions.

With the Homo, there are number of species and the species’ subspecies, where you cannot use colors of skin or hair, or languages and cultures, because they become irrelevant the further back in time.

All human races belonged to species called Homo sapiens, and even more precise the subspecies of Homo sapiens: as Homo sapiens sapiens.

There was another subspecies: Homo sapiens idaltu.

The Homo sapiens is the only surviving species of the genus Homo. And the Homo sapiens seemed to be derived from older species, most likely from Homo heidelbergensis.

But even older species exist than the Homo heidelbergensis. But no matter which species you are talking about, Homo species and subspecies are humans, because Homo means “human”.

So how far back do you want to go back? Which species to focus on? Which clade?

Like Subduction Zone said, you need to define what you mean by human, because the Neanderthals, the Homo heidelbergensis, the various Homo erectus , and so on are all humans.

BTW. There are such people as Adam and Eve, which are in myths of the Tanakh, Bible and Qur’an. It is made up story. Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses are all mythological characters, and the stories about them are just stories, not history.

Dave Watchman said:

Einstein's brain had such trouble wrapping itself around the big bang.

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Einstein had his own cosmology in the 1920s, called the Static Universe model (hypothesis), which he developed back in 1917.

The then Expanding Universe model (then hypothesis), were developed independently by 3 physicists, before it was later called the Big Bang model:

1. Alexander Friedmann (1922) Russian physicist and mathematician
2. Howard Percy Robertson (1924-25), American physicist
3. Georges Lemaître (1927), Belgian physicist/mathematician and Roman Catholic priest

They all used Einstein’s field equations from General Relativity to develop framework for their expanding universe models, and came with very similar answers. Robertson and Lemaître predicted that the cosmic redshift can be used to measure distant objects galaxies) moving away from observer or from each other, as indication that the universe is expanding.

Einstein’s model, on the other hand, is that the universe is static, perfect, unchanging and unmoving, hence no new stars or new galaxies, and no stars can end its lifecycle (eg supernova, blackhole, white dwarf, etc), and no expansion or contraction.

Einstein had also used the same field equations that he developed for General Relativity, but using different constant to that of Friedmann’s (eg Friedmann metric), Robertson’s and Lemaître’s. Einstein’s constant was called the Cosmological Constant.

Anyway, Edwin Hubble discovered that distant galaxies do appear to shift towards redness of electromagnetic spectrum, hence the first evidence that the universe was indeed expanding.

With this evidence, Einstein ditched his Static Universe hypothesis and claimed that Cosmological Constant was his biggest blunder in his career.

In scientific relativity today the human race is 100 years old. Living in the ownership of the natural state that supports its living ability to live for 100 years old.

As a rational thinker.

If you asked a question how many lives of living humans and then destroyed human levels does the Earth support in archaeological excavations, would quote, how many times science was involved in civilization/trade/technology in the removal destruction and also radiation mutation of that natural self biological life.

For we are nearly water mass as that bio life. Water is one of the oldest held masses frozen in the spatial history. As it supports our life, having water present on the ground in our life was the known importance.

Science causing radiation fall out above our head, took our water and evaporated it due to science cause and effects of unsealing the Earth stone. Country of origin therefore also identifies that age and length of life is a variant for country on Earth also in human existence. Today and as it would have been in the past, a variant, due to land conditions.

Therefore as a lot of Earth mass has been converted many times, then Age and history of life on Earth would never actually identify how old the Earth body is itself...for life is proven to have been destroyed and removed multi times.

Relativity is to apply a question and then own a direct relative answer to the question, which is not a thesis it is used an applied gathering of facts of evidence.

Science then became a form of self testimony about the removal of Age of the life of the planet by numbers.

We know we use numbers to count our age to our destruction, so maybe the same can be said in creative reasoning about form also.

Actually Slime Mold may be the first intelligent life on earth billions of years of years ago. I may start a thread on this interesting aspect of the link in evolution from single celled life and intelligent life on earth.

shunyadragon said:

Actually Slime Mold may be the first intelligent life on earth billions of years of years ago. I may start a thread on this interesting aspect of the link in evolution from single celled life and intelligent life on earth.

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Which says to the theist who pretends no cell, to invent a cell to resource from a cell, that cells always existed on Earth. So his theorising is fake.

Amanaki said:

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In this thread, I want to hear people's answers to when they think humans began to walk on earth, and when life started. I looking for years back in time.

A: How old is the human race in your understanding?
B: When did the first living being come to life? (not only on earth if life is other places)

I will not take part directly in the discussion but can answer questions directed toward myself.

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Adam was the first man. He walked. That was something like 6000 years ago.

dad said:

Adam was the first man. He walked. That was something like 6000 years ago.

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So earth is not billion pf years old? Only a few thousand years old, or is the earth old, but human race very very young?

Question, in your understanding how old is the 3 big pyramids in Egypt ?