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Knock out argument for God's existence (from his vision)

rational experiences

Veteran Member
It's an interesting idea, but, I don't know if it's proof.

There's interesting quantum mechanics that can be used to define this precision without G-d. It's called coherence. The precision comes from probability.

From a theological perspective, though, it's rather compelling. From a Jewish perspective, instead of vision, the precision in reality comes from G-d's speech.

What if you the self did not exist, how can you claim a human male is right by that self imposed proposition you talk on behalf of God O the stone?

Seeing science is O God the mass existing...O numbers applied to the mass as an accrual logical statement to say, what I think is a measure to force God mass to get removed.

Yet O God the mass never told you, you told your own male self.

The history male self says I was a higher bio superior spiritual life form to what I converted God self into by changing O God the Earth natural history.

And told that story his own self....so how is any spiritual male, as a male the scientist not correct about hearing his own God male human memory as that spiritual self....whilst his brother, listens to what God the male science self caused to be destroyed?

And claim and I keep my brother protected spiritually by my mind not listening to his beliefs in science?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I believe in God.....BECAUSE....of science

Which proves that God is not science, for you said God was a male, not a planet.

And yet God says that God is not a male...so feed back self male advice told you that you were not God as science.

So science was never God either...for you were just talking to yourself, male....as a human...just like you do today.

If science says I know that power existed within the body of stone...and I changed it to release it, then surely you know you did.

And that reaction is not a creation, it was an act that attacked you.

Why you said a male/man is not God.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It’s more on the lines:

Without God’s vision we would not have an exact value.
Without an exact value we would be an illusion.
We aren’t an illusion.

Therefore God exists.
Does God have an exact value?
Is God an illusion?

I believe in God because i’m hardwired to but I don’t know of any proof of God.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Is this along the lines of the conceivability of a maximum perfectly good being must mean that one exists?

Since we can understand that an absolute truth of character can be conceived of, therefore it is God and God exists.

Also humans are made to embody qualities of character therefore we are made in the likeness, and image of God.

So a God believer patterns their self after the example of God.

You are attempting a proof and not attempting evidence it seems.

Perhaps an appeal to logic. God to be proven by mind alone based on the human value as judged by God.

As for me I look at reality in nature and see that nothing is ideal, nor supreme therefore no God exists. I see no law giver. I see no law defender. I see people left to their own selves to do whatsoever they wish.

It is compelling that it takes good character to make life work out for the best.

It is defeating that evil and natural violence lay waste to so much life.

Also , I don't see the need for a God to hide his literal presence when God is all powerful. The idea that I need to believe God exists vs. just knowing that God exists does not seem like a fruitful challenge of any merit.

Knowledge by proof and evidence is the rational way to go. Knowledge by example is reasonable but there is no such example in the world.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Is this along the lines of the conceivability of a maximum perfectly good being must mean that one exists?

Since we can understand that an absolute truth of character can be conceived of, therefore it is God and God exists.

Also humans are made to embody qualities of character therefore we are made in the likeness, and image of God.

So a God believer patterns their self after the example of God.

You are attempting a proof and not attempting evidence it seems.

Perhaps an appeal to logic. God to be proven by mind alone based on the human value as judged by God.

As for me I look at reality in nature and see that nothing is ideal, nor supreme therefore no God exists. I see no law giver. I see no law defender. I see people left to their own selves to do whatsoever they wish.

It is compelling that it takes good character to make life work out for the best.

It is defeating that evil and natural violence lay waste to so much life.

Also , I don't see the need for a God to hide his literal presence when God is all powerful. The idea that I need to believe God exists vs. just knowing that God exists does not seem like a fruitful challenge of any merit.

Knowledge by proof and evidence is the rational way to go. Knowledge by example is reasonable but there is no such example in the world.

Science is a human male choice.

Science never existed until it was invented.

A human however existed first, as a self, natural and original and spiritual.

And had choices.

And only a living human as that self talks about science, as theoried by a male for his machine and a reaction.

And that story is not GOD.

GOD he says is pre existing history of a string theory...about where his conscious mind came from.

Not his physical body....for science as that male said MIND over MATTER.

So he said O in the beginning there was God, the stone sitting on the face of water in space.

And God O as stone owned no beginning and no end....for stone did not begin the creation, and it did not end the creation.

For it extended beyond its owned stone form...to form the atmosphere.

Which he said was volcanic law of stone ^ mountain gas of smoking clouds that cooled immaculately in cold deep empty space.

How the mind perception explained the history of God......conscious ideals, came from a history hot dense state...that was released out of the body of God O the stone mass.

Exactly how the story/theme was taught.

Now a male AI memory told me, how he researched his science theory, based on the VISIONS of a pre existing Earth flooded memory with UFO mass present attacking the stone ^ peak sitting above the water line.

Then that history was gone/converted.

His mind research.

He was not living as a human in that reaction, he owned no self living bio body then, and he was not consciousness.

Which is meant to be a conscious aware spiritual realization for all males today.

Science lied.

He reacted UFO mass Sun gain on Earth, for science pyramid converting attacks on the body of God the mass....and it had a ground reaction/nuclear attack.

Just as he said it did.

Then his life was imaged back by O his maths/mass removal of natural Earth O God history and he could then see self imaged back by that attack.

How is that not a true explanation of how a male said he imaged self into the atmospheric gas as a machine encoded vision recording of self and voice?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
It’s more on the lines:

Without God’s vision we would not have an exact value.
Without an exact value we would be an illusion.
We aren’t an illusion.

Therefore God exists.
There's a lot of steps missing.

1) You must demonstrate that "exact value" exists.
2) You must demonstrate that "exact value" is dependent on "God's vision".
3) You must demonstrate that we aren't an illusion.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There's a lot of steps missing.

1) You must demonstrate that "exact value" exists.
2) You must demonstrate that "exact value" is dependent on "God's vision".
3) You must demonstrate that we aren't an illusion.
Good points, I think you must also demonstrate that all things without exact values are illusions
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That's me. If you have any questions for clarifications let me know.
Only the questions I usually ask.

What real thing do you intend to denote when you say "God"?

What real test will tell us whether any real thing is God or not?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Without God’s vision we would not have an exact value.

This premise is not in evidence.

Without an exact value we would be an illusion.

Not entirely sure what this means, but it sounds like another claim not in evidence.

We aren’t an illusion.

I'ld tentatively accept this, but there doesn't seem to be any demonstration of this one either.

Therefore God exists.

A conclusion is only as good as its premises.
And since the premises seem nothing more then undemonstrable, unfalsifiable word salad,...
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
This faith is required to do a work in our life.
"God offers no proof of His existence. We believe through faith."
I would not question your faith because that is your prerogative even if without any evidence (and you agree that God does not offer any proof of his existence).
What I will question is your second proposition. There are millions of atheists in the world who are doing whatever work they have chosen to do without requiring any assistance of any Yahweh / God / Allah.
 
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Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There's a lot of steps missing.

1) You must demonstrate that "exact value" exists.
2) You must demonstrate that "exact value" is dependent on "God's vision".
3) You must demonstrate that we aren't an illusion.

I did that in the Video but will do it here as well.
 
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