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Human footprint on 500 million year old trilobite fossil

Audie

Veteran Member
I especially like this one:
Willet-Track-e1547138657967.jpg

How there is no size indicated, no references, etc.

Ha. That is nothing. Look at these babes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fak...hWEKM0KHS94BGgQ_AUoAnoECBcQBA&biw=736&bih=441
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Yes, if you go back to the 1920's and believe that continents just drifted across the
earth you were a lunatic. How could an entire continent just rip through the crust,
and even, why?
And as it is, a lot of novel science IS just lunatic stuff. Only every now and then one
lunatic is onto something. Velikovsky had such lunatic ideas, only they stayed lunatic
ideas. Wegener was considered a lunatic, but his ideas stood the test of time - and
it shows truth is stranger than fiction.

"Lunatic"

Always the silly hyperbole. It was clear t o anyone looking at
a map that, say, Madigascar looked as if it had broken off.
BUT, in t he absence of any hint of a mechanism, there was
no way to come up with anything but a "doesnt it look like".

Whatever you are trying to get at , exaggeration, vague
reference to a 70 year old article and "examples" that
are not remotely examples do not make your case, rather,
it shows you dont have one and dont know what you
are talking about. Just give it a rest,
And next time, do try to avoid spreading misinformation.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
If true, it is one of a meager number of incidents and hardly amounts to the cleansing portrayed by creationists. If one were to buy into that nonsense, you would think they were being chucked out windows and it was raining professors. It isnt. Not even a tiny blip on the radar.

He does not have even one example, and never will.

The barrier reef guy was not in trouble for what our hero claims
he was, as noted in my quote from the Guardian.


"Dr Ridd was not sacked because of his scientific views.
Dr, Ridd was never gagged or silenced about his scientific vies, a
matter to which he admitted during the court hearing'.


His graduate student was even further from a professor
losing tenure for daring to bring up an unconventional idea.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Whoever you are quoting, it is not me. Plz remove this post.
I did better: reformatted to make it extra clear the quotation you used was of course not you, for anyone not knowing better. Thanks for catching that formatting problem!
 

Astrophile

Active Member
That's just my profile - it's not exactly accurate (!) I was in school when they
discovered sea-floor spreading. Continental drift wasn't on any curriculum
that I know of. Only lunatics believed the continents drifted around the planet.

I think that during the mid-20th century British geologists were more sympathetic to the hypothesis of continental drift than Americans were. For example, Arthur Holmes (1890-1965) devoted the last chapter of his book Principles of Physical Geology (published 1964) to 'Continental Drift and Palaeomagnetism'. In this long chapter, Holmes described the history of the continental drift hypothesis, explained the geological evidence for drift and the use of palaeomagnetism to trace the movements of the continents, and concluded by arguing for convection currents in the Earth's mantle as the driving force for drift.

Clearly Holmes's advocacy of the hypothesis was not some sort of death-bed conversion; it was based on extensive research over a long period. Moreover, even at this early date, Holmes could say 'the controversial storm [over continental drift] has now abated and Wegener's name has become an honoured one', which hardly suggests that 'only lunatics believed the continents drifted'. Although he did not use this comparison, Holmes's attitude to the opponents of drift, such as the Russian geologist Beloussov, was similar to the attitude of almost all present-day biologists to opponents of evolution, i.e. that continental drift was an established fact, and only a small and dwindling minority still refused to accept it.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
"Lunatic"

Always the silly hyperbole. It was clear t o anyone looking at
a map that, say, Madigascar looked as if it had broken off.
BUT, in t he absence of any hint of a mechanism, there was
no way to come up with anything but a "doesnt it look like".

Whatever you are trying to get at , exaggeration, vague
reference to a 70 year old article and "examples" that
are not remotely examples do not make your case, rather,
it shows you dont have one and dont know what you
are talking about. Just give it a rest,
And next time, do try to avoid spreading misinformation.

Yeah, I would stick to the lunatic appellation.
The most recent one that comes to mind was one Shechtman being
called a "quasi scientist" for his discovery of quasi-crystals. And none
other than by Nobel winner Lynus Pauling.

Chemist Once Accused of 'Quasi-Science' Wins Nobel For Quasicrystal Discovery

He told his colleagues what he'd seen and they laughed him off... He
was eventually asked to leave his research group for "bringing disgrace"
to its members....


Quote "asked to leave" for SEEING (not theorizing like Wegener) quasi
crystals. Many geologists were "asked to leave" for promoting their views
about continents in collision. Of all the scientific theories that sound lunatic
"continental drift" was right up there.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Yeah, I would stick to the lunatic appellation.
The most recent one that comes to mind was one Shechtman being
called a "quasi scientist" for his discovery of quasi-crystals. And none
other than by Nobel winner Lynus Pauling.

Chemist Once Accused of 'Quasi-Science' Wins Nobel For Quasicrystal Discovery

He told his colleagues what he'd seen and they laughed him off... He
was eventually asked to leave his research group for "bringing disgrace"
to its members....


Quote "asked to leave" for SEEING (not theorizing like Wegener) quasi
crystals. Many geologists were "asked to leave" for promoting their views
about continents in collision. Of all the scientific theories that sound lunatic
"continental drift" was right up there.

Whatevs. You are merely being tiresome.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
She was talking about the Adam and Eve myth and how that made Jesus necessary. But it is nice to see you admit that is not needed for a Christian belief.

Jesus is a very good rescuing for us simply because we tend to do wrongs, and then become inured to them, habituating them, finally just unaware of much evil we do....

Thus, no longer suited for an eternal life of love and harmony -- so needing something profound to radically change us for the better.

The Garden of Eden story helps us understand the individual birth of consciousness each person experiences. The birth of self-awareness, and the near inevitable (or near universal) break in trust with God that alienates us from God sooner or later, requiring that we be reconciled or rejoined in some way.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Mods, if this OP are in the wrong category feel free to move it.

500 Million-Year-Old Human Footprint Fossil Baffles Scientists

How do creationists and evolutionists see this in their own beliefs?
How come that science has not spoken about finding like this the same way they speak of other forms of science?
Are science afraid of saying they are wrong? or does it go deeper than that?
Having stared long and hard at the photo of trilobites, and even run a magnifying glass over it, I can see nothing that looks like a footprint, let alone a human footprint.

And they throw in the story about someone who finds something similar, and is offered $200,000 for the evidence by a palaeontology so he can destroy it and so protect his career. That style's all too familiar to those who know the Creo song book ─ like the yarn, much repeated as true at one time, of the boy in the science class who runs rings around the pompous teacher of evolution (which was made into a movie that did the southern US church circuit maybe 15 ya). There's a strong word meaning 'nonsense' for all this.

I also know nothing about the late Duane Gish that's admirable. There's evidence that he knew his lectures on Creationism contained very convenient false statements, which were more than once pointed out to him, but they remained part of his performance till the end. I see no honor in feeding on the gullible like that.
 
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Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
Staff member
Premium Member
He does not have even one example, and never will.

The barrier reef guy was not in trouble for what our hero claims
he was, as noted in my quote from the Guardian.


"Dr Ridd was not sacked because of his scientific views.
Dr, Ridd was never gagged or silenced about his scientific vies, a
matter to which he admitted during the court hearing'.


His graduate student was even further from a professor
losing tenure for daring to bring up an unconventional idea.
Another case where scrutiny of the evidence reveals creationist claims do not match reality.

Are you as surprised about that as I am? Shocked I say. Just shocked.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Another case where scrutiny of the evidence reveals creationist claims do not match reality.

Are you as surprised about that as I am? Shocked I say. Just shocked.


It is kind of sad to watch.

I did not know he was before, but
I'd smoked our Phil out as a creationist
sort from his topic, his approach
to it and abject failure to check his info,
provide sources or concede when a source
check shows he got it wrong.
 
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