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Flight 752 -- the cost not paid by America

Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Landon Caeli said:
In the title of the thread.
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Ah, then you misunderstand me. It always a "cost" when people die in such situations. I have never -- not ever -- suggested that giving money can pay that cost. There is no equation that, on one side of the equals sign shows how many people, how old (or young), how guilty or innocent -- and on the other side shows "this many dollars will cover that."
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Ah, then you misunderstand me. It always a "cost" when people die in such situations. I have never -- not ever -- suggested that giving money can pay that cost. There is no equation that, on one side of the equals sign shows how many people, how old (or young), how guilty or innocent -- and on the other side shows "this many dollars will cover that."
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So then what is this "payment" you seek, in the title? Was it a lucky guess when I wondered if you wanted an apology? I guess that's what it has to be. But then again, what good is an apology afterall..?

...Perhaps you want Trumps head on a platter.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Evangelicalhumanist said:
His actions may have deserved his killing
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So his actions made him a target

Trumps only been in a little over three years, U.S. support and or tolerance for certain regimes deemed useful to us has spanned decades and multiple administrations. The pentagon had been tracking this guy for years just waiting for the green light, some presidents supposedly deemed him not worth the trouble it might cause (Don't make the Iranians mad!) I imagine the decision not to take care of him sooner probably revolved as much around how certain presidents felt it would affect their personal political career as much as possibly stirring up trouble. Meanwhile, how many people military and civilian were killed directly because of his actions in the meantime? Iranians and other Muslims probably suffered the most directly because of him.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Can't help but notice how little coverage the shooting down of Ukraine Flight 752 is getting in the U.S. But then, of course, no American's died, so what's the big deal, eh?

But here's the thing: The Trump administration undertook the assassination of Iranian General Suleiman, and Iran's (bloodless) retaliation, Iran was on very high alert, and that is the proximate cause of the shooting down of a plane that cost 57 Canadian lives, along with a lot of Ukrainians (also heading to Canada at the same time). And Canada and Ukraine aren't even playing!
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That happened days ago! Why are you still talking about that? ;trumpettes, probably
 
Cooky

Cooky

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Saint Frankenstein said:
Because you seemed to shrug it off because they admitted their fault and paid some money, as if that makes it all better.
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Nothing makes the death of a family member better. But my *point* was only that nobody tried to blame anyone else for that mistake, like @Evangelicalhumanist is trying to do in this case.

Anyways, let's stop jumping to conclusions and respond to what people say, and not what we think they think based on random conclusions from out of the blue.
 
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leov

leov

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Evangelicalhumanist said:
Can't help but notice how little coverage the shooting down of Ukraine Flight 752 is getting in the U.S. But then, of course, no American's died, so what's the big deal, eh?

But here's the thing: The Trump administration undertook the assassination of Iranian General Suleiman, and Iran's (bloodless) retaliation, Iran was on very high alert, and that is the proximate cause of the shooting down of a plane that cost 57 Canadian lives, along with a lot of Ukrainians (also heading to Canada at the same time). And Canada and Ukraine aren't even playing!
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it is a sad story, we must chose an intermediate point to find who is to pay, is it Civil War? 600000+ dead? Korean War?, Nam? Saddam's WMDs? or?
 
Salvador

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Can't help but notice how little coverage the shooting down of Ukraine Flight 752 is getting in the U.S. But then, of course, no American's died, so what's the big deal, eh?

But here's the thing: The Trump administration undertook the assassination of Iranian General Suleiman, and Iran's (bloodless) retaliation, Iran was on very high alert, and that is the proximate cause of the shooting down of a plane that cost 57 Canadian lives, along with a lot of Ukrainians (also heading to Canada at the same time). And Canada and Ukraine aren't even playing!
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Sorry these people whom Iran blasted to death didn't make it out of Iran alive, but I don't understand why Canadians were even in Iran; the Islamic Republic of Iran commits acts of terrorism with their Quds Force, whom the Canadian government itself has designated as being terrorists.

"Since 2012, Canada has designated Quds Force a “listed terrorist entity” among the likes of Boko Haram and al-Qaeda"

Canada secretly grants visas to terrorists & war criminals - The Post Millennia
 
Salvador

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Then here's your answer: any decent human would acknowledge what he did, and take accountability for the outcome. And if that outcome requires an apology, then he should apologize.
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I hope Iran issues an apology to the family members of those whom Iran blasted to death. Also, I'd expect the International Court of Justice to issue a legal verdict in favor of Ukraine ordering Iran to pay out a million dollars to the heir of each active wage earner and half a million dollars to the heir of each non-wage earner Iran killed on this jetliner flight shot down by Iran. Precedence for this case goes back to when the United States paid $300,000 for each active wage earner and $150,000 for each non-wage earner the U.S. military had inadvertently killed on Iran Air flight 655 back in July of 1988. One million dollars in today's dollars would have the equivalent purchasing power of what three hundred thousand dollars would have been able to buy back in 1988.

I suppose Iran might claim she lacks $177 million to pay one million dollars to the rightful heirs of each active wage earner person along with a half million dollars to the rightful heirs of each non-wage earner Iran had blasted to death on this jetliner flight. If Iran were to get rid of its nuclear research program, then crippling economic sanctions could be lifted against Iran in order for this Islamic militant nation to be able to pay for its screw-ups.
 
sooda

sooda

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Landon Caeli said:
Weren't there dozens of planes flying in and out of that airport that day? I would think the Iranian military would have been aware of that.
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Nope.. Iran has been under sanctions for quite a while.. Commercial flights are limited.
 
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