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In your understanding. How old is human race? and when was the first being alive on earth?

The Hammer

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Premium Member
In this case, I read two.

In Genesis it's the pre - incarnate Jesus, speaking to His Father in heaven.

Jesus was the God of the Old Testament.

Jesus did creation week.

Paul said that the Rock was Christ:

"For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. - 1 Corinthians 10
When God said:

“Let us make mankind in our image, after our likeness,​

It sounds to me like He was talking about what happened BEFORE verse 2 in Genesis:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.​

Whatever happened before verse 2 caused the earth to be without form and void.

Because this guy, and his friends:

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Were definitely NOT created after the likeness of God.

Read it again and think about it.

Something bad happened back in the day, between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis.

But put the emphasis on the us and the our. It's as if these ancient monsters were not the end product of the family of God.

Somebody else must have been responsible for them, and those creatures came to a violent end.

Christ speaking to the Father:

“Let US make mankind in OUR image,
after OUR likeness,​

Not like the deadly monsters of that evil world that came before.

But I thought you weren't there? So how do you know this interpretation is correct?

Speaking of interpretations, which version of the Bible has the correct series of events and right method to live life? They all use different words and translations. Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Old English, none of which has direct equivalents of a lot of different concepts.

I'm not saying your wrong, I just want to know what justifications you use for determining what is the True Word of the God(s), as opposed to just man's broken and flawed interpretations.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Nothing more than speculation based off many, many assumptions, just like religion.
You do realize that you just tried to slime your fellow man, don't you? What are the assumptions? What is your evidence that they used assumptions?

You probably cannot answer those questions, which you should be able to do if you want to claim "assumptions". You put a huge burden of proof upon yourself with such claims. What they do have is massive evidence. Try going to Google scholar and typing in the word "evolution" in the search engine.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
It goes without saying.

Just look at them.

Look at their specifications, their weight, the teeth and the biting pressure of the T Rex.

Look at his arms, look at his claws.

Do you think he will play a guitar or a piano with you.

Do you think he will talk about Bible prophecy or the big bang with you.

Who's image and likeness was he created after.

Not ours.

His end was violent.

Not happy.

Apocalyptic.

pxgyrn4g.jpg

I can't talk to a Crocodile about those things either, but they aren't flawed, in fact they are greatly adapted to what they're purpose is in their particular environments.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It goes without saying.

Just look at them.

Look at their specifications, their weight, the teeth and the biting pressure of the T Rex.

Look at his arms, look at his claws.

Do you think he will play a guitar or a piano with you.

Do you think he will talk about Bible prophecy or the big bang with you.

Who's image and likeness was he created after.

Not ours.

His end was violent.

Not happy.

Apocalyptic.

pxgyrn4g.jpg

Sorry, when one uses the phrase "It goes without saying" they are all but admitting that they are wrong. And T-Rex is not the only dinosaur just as humans are not the only mammals. Heck humans are not even the only apes.

Just because you do not like the looks of something does not make it evil or bad.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
But I thought you weren't there?

You thought correctly.

So how do you know this interpretation is correct?

I don't;

Like Isaac Newton said:

"Let time be the interpreter.
John also confirmed what Paul was saying in Corinthians about Christ being the God of the Old Testament.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life,a and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. - John 1:1-5​

Speaking of interpretations, which version of the Bible has the correct series of events and right method to live life? They all use different words and translations. Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Old English, none of which has direct equivalents of a lot of different concepts.

I'm not saying your wrong, I just want to know what justifications you use for determining what is the True Word of the God(s), as opposed to just man's broken and flawed interpretations.

I would use them all.

If a verse gives me trouble, I'll look at all the versions.

Google them and see what comes up on bible hub or blue letter bible.

Pray for the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

That's the important part.

But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul. - Deuteronomy 4:29

So I tell you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. - Luke 11:9

Peaceful rest of the Sabbath.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
The title says it all :)
In this thread, I want to hear people's answers to when they think humans began to walk on earth, and when life started. I looking for years back in time.
A: How old is the human race in your understanding?
B: When did the first living being come to life? (not only on earth if life is other places)

Omnipotent means not having any limitations. Obviously, an omnipotent God can create the Universe in any amount of time including all the fake fossil and carbon dating evidence. An omnipotent God could have created the Universe just moments again with all your fake memories intact right before you read this post.

Evolution is science fact. But any theist who thinks it matters has weak faith in God. I don't have to argue for or against evolution because my faith is strong enough to include an omnipotent God. Just like Jesus, science is my friend.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
The time between when the original came out and when the sequels came out doesn't mean anything. If whomever wrote the sequel read the original then OF COURSE the time frames are going to match.

I think it does in the cases that i cited, because the original author, Daniel, did not understand what he was writing about. Multiple times Gabriel was sent to make him understand, but he couldn't understand. And Daniel worried about it. But he was told not to wrorry about it.

“Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

"But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.​

As long as everyone is reading the same source material, the number of authors and the time span involved is meaningless.

And that's what we're doing, you rest my case.

"Everyone is reading the same source material".

The Bible was written by One Source.

Multiple human hands, spanning 1500 years or more, but One Author.

The Author of Life.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
The Bible was written by One Source.
Multiple human hands, spanning 1500 years or more, but One Author.
The Author of Life.

I don't agree with your thinking on the Bible. I think the Bible was written by men interpreting what they believed to be divine thought. I'm not sure by today's standards of morality the words carry the same power they once had. I think the Bible should be read as a kind of metaphor not to be taken out of the historical context in which it was written. I think the essential message of "having morality is very important" is preserved. But some of the finer details need to be taken with a few tablespoons of salt. For example:

No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

No. 6: St Paul condemns homosexuality in the opening chapter of the Book of Romans:

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

No. 7: In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

No. 9: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

I just can't imagine the Bible was not written by men because it got the morality of slavery so wrong! If the Bible got the morality of slavery wrong then maybe it's wrong on the morality of not treating woman as equals. And maybe it's also wrong on the morality of consenting homosexuality. I'm not saying having morality is not important. What I am saying is having the same historical morality of people from 2000 years ago may not be a necessity carved in stone.
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
I'd seen reports of evidence for an earlier time. Here's the current summary in the wiki --

The earliest time that life forms first appeared on Earth is at least 3.77 billion years ago, possibly as early as 4.28 billion years,[1] or even 4.5 billion years;[3][4] not long after the oceans formed 4.41 billion years ago, and after the formation of the Earth 4.54 billion years ago.[1][2][5][6] The earliest direct evidence of life on Earth are microfossils of microorganisms permineralized in 3.465-billion-year-old Australian Apex chert rocks.[7][8]
Earliest known life forms - Wikipedia
Thanks, yes it was the direct evidence I think I must have had in mind.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
I know.

I would just never say that G-d lies.

Information is being withheld at this time.

That's not the same thing as falsifying the data.

We're going to find out what's going on soon, I have a hunch what it is.

Because this guy, and his grizzly specifications,:

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Were NOT created after our image, and after our likeness.

“Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. - Genesis 1:26

No god was created out humans image. Humans created god so why not make him in our likeness?

I must admit it is hard to argue with you. Any fact or evidence given is immediately changed to god did it. So god created a world with incorrect information to tempt humans into discovering it and being lead astray. Only those who refuse to learn from the world will be saved because they ignore all evidence and facts and follow blind faith from bible. Wouldn't you be surprised if god created the T Rex in his own image and is just waiting for those who ignore the evidence god placed in the world.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Wouldn't you be surprised if god created the T Rex in his own image and is just waiting for those who ignore the evidence god placed in the world.

But if He did, why would He say in Genesis, after the violent demise of the T Rex,:

“Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. - Genesis 1:26

When I said God is withholding information, I'm saying that He is not yet telling us what the ancient world was about.

And I don't know either.

But just by looking at a T Rex, I can see something weird was going on.

Something different.

If it Is WE that ARE created after the likeness of God.

I doubt that the violent demise of the dinosaurs was a random chance event.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
But if He did, why would He say in Genesis, after the violent demise of the T Rex,:

“Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. - Genesis 1:26

When I said God is withholding information, I'm saying that He is not yet telling us what the ancient world was about.

And I don't know either.

But just by looking at a T Rex, I can see something weird was going on.

Something different.

If it Is WE that ARE created after the likeness of God.

I doubt that the violent demise of the dinosaurs was a random chance event.

So there was a world before god showed up and created a garden of eden with a trap for the woman (of course since god is most often depicted as male) knowing she would fall for the trap. I completely understand. But what about all those animals and plants that existed with the T Rex that are still present today. Mystery for you.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
I just can't imagine the Bible was not written by men because it got the morality of slavery so wrong! If the Bible got the morality of slavery wrong then maybe it's wrong on the morality of not treating woman as equals. And maybe it's also wrong on the morality of consenting homosexuality. I'm not saying having morality is not important. What I am saying is having the same historical morality of people from 2000 years ago may not be a necessity carved in stone.

You're assembled a great selection of examples.

You are a good reader of the Bible.

But a lump of clay is in no position to make a call on the Potter's morality.

It's God's deal.

It's beyond my pay grade to question His morality.

Like the inventor who takes a patent out on a device, He has the right to tell me not to lie with a man as i do with a woman.

If that's an Abomination to Him, He is my Maker.

I am just Dave.

And my Sabbath rest is over.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
You're assembled a great selection of examples.

You are a good reader of the Bible.

But a lump of clay is in no position to make a call on the Potter's morality.

It's God's deal.

It's beyond my pay grade to question His morality.

Like the inventor who takes a patent out on a device, He has the right to tell me not to lie with a man as i do with a woman.

If that's an Abomination to Him, He is my Maker.

I am just Dave.

And my Sabbath rest is over.

Now you are telling us humans are made of clay and not organic in nature?
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
I think it does in the cases that i cited, because the original author, Daniel, did not understand what he was writing about. Multiple times Gabriel was sent to make him understand, but he couldn't understand. And Daniel worried about it. But he was told not to wrorry about it.

“Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

"But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.​



And that's what we're doing, you rest my case.

"Everyone is reading the same source material".

The Bible was written by One Source.

Multiple human hands, spanning 1500 years or more, but One Author.

The Author of Life.

I think it does in the cases that i cited, because the original author, Daniel, did not understand what he was writing about. Multiple times Gabriel was sent to make him understand, but he couldn't understand. And Daniel worried about it. But he was told not to wrorry about it.

The fact that Daniel may not have known what he was writing doesn't alter the fact that those who wrote after him had read what Daniel had written, so OF COURSE the time frames are going to match.

And that's what we're doing, you rest my case.

You're more than welcome to rest your case, but any jury is going to find against you.

"Everyone is reading the same source material".

The 'same' source material is the bible

The Bible was written by One Source.

False... as you mention below there were multiple human hands involved which means it was written by multiple sources

Multiple human hands, spanning 1500 years or more, but One Author.

As any judge in any courtroom will tell you that simply making a claim without any verifiable evidence for the claim is absolutely worthless and should be dismissed as such. The ONLY evidence we have is that multiple human hands were involved in writing the bible... thus multiple authors were involved.
 

coconut theology

coconuts for Jesus
The title says it all :)
In this thread, I want to hear people's answers to when they think humans began to walk on earth, and when life started. I looking for years back in time.

A: How old is the human race in your understanding?
B: When did the first living being come to life? (not only on earth if life is other places)

I will not take part directly in the discussion but can answer questions directed toward myself.
Ok, here is a detailed study on it from the reliable historical sources:

Age Of The Earth Study (PDF) (circa 6,244 years old - human race (Adam))

7000 Year Plan Of The Everlasting Gospel – Bible & Historical Quotations (PDF)

The Redemption of the Creation – 7000 Years And The Everlasting Gospel (Powerpoint)

Here is a picture (click to zoom):

Image 1

Image 2

Image 3

As for when the first living being come to life? This would exclude God/Deity, as God is eternal and was always alive, without beginning, or ending - Life. If you merely desire to know as to when the first created being came into existence, such as the angelic hosts; the reliable sources such as scripture (KJB) do not say, except in terms of "ages and ages" before earth came into existence.

Questions, to you then, Why did you desire to know? (what is the purpose of the OP, if you are not participating directly). What would be your own replies to the questions you gave in the OP?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Ok, here is a detailed study on it from the reliable historical sources:

Age Of The Earth Study (PDF) (circa 6,244 years old - human race (Adam))

7000 Year Plan Of The Everlasting Gospel – Bible & Historical Quotations (PDF)

The Redemption of the Creation – 7000 Years And The Everlasting Gospel (Powerpoint)

Here is a picture (click to zoom):

Image 1

Image 2

Image 3

As for when the first living being come to life? This would exclude God/Deity, as God is eternal and was always alive, without beginning, or ending - Life. If you merely desire to know as to when the first created being came into existence, such as the angelic hosts; the reliable sources such as scripture (KJB) do not say, except in terms of "ages and ages" before earth came into existence.

Questions, to you then, Why did you desire to know? (what is the purpose of the OP, if you are not participating directly). What would be your own replies to the questions you gave in the OP?
My OP was made to see what people belive about how earth come to be or how things work in their understanding.

My answer is that human life is a lot older then this earth, this is only one earth is a long series of the earth that has existed. You can say that in my understanding earth has also been reincarnated many many times, just like we human beings have been reincarnated from one lifetime to the next.

So I do not believe science when they speak of how much they "know" because they keep having to change their understanding so many times, they find new evidence many, many time, so science is not a final conclusion the way I see it, it is a well-placed guess.
 

coconut theology

coconuts for Jesus
My OP was made to see what people belive about how earth come to be or how things work in their understanding.

My answer is that human life is a lot older then this earth, this is only one earth is a long series of the earth that has existed. You can say that in my understanding earth has also been reincarnated many many times, just like we human beings have been reincarnated from one lifetime to the next.

So I do not believe science when they speak of how much they "know" because they keep having to change their understanding so many times, they find new evidence many, many time, so science is not a final conclusion the way I see it, it is a well-placed guess.
Ok, interesting response.

Earth re-incarnated? How do you know this?

How come it needs to do, or has to do, this in your view? Is there a goal that is missed, and thus needs to 'do-over', and if there is a goal, who set that goal, or is there no goal, it just has infinite alterations, iterations, and if so, what is the point of one over the other, knowing that it would be such (and how do you know it is such)? Was there a beginning to the iterations, or was there only ever iterations (eternally), in your view? Is non living material only eternal in this view, or are there also living beings that are eternal in this view?

From what I understand, the word 'science', literally means 'knowledge', to know. From what I understand there is a true and a false science.
 
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