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In your understanding. How old is human race? and when was the first being alive on earth?

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Technology to the extent that "doors to all things" were open and that generation looks back to old generations and says "our forefathers faced indeed afflictions" (ie. there is cures to every afflictions by this time) happens all the time per Quran but many times, did people get very oppressive and were destroyed as a result of their policy towards God and the believers of his Messengers.

Everyone mocks the Messenger, and says "come at me bro with what you promise" and then when God decides to destroy them, it's the Messengers left in greatest tears of regret for the perishing oppressive people.
 
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Dave Watchman

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Why not? It is full of flaws. The God of the Bible is far from perfect. It looks like slightly better than average myth.

The Bible is God breathed.

It can only come from one Source.

The end time story from the Old Testament, is not the same as the end time story from the New Testament.

Yet they share the same prophetic time periods.

When Jesus was alive on Earth, it might have went either way.

The Jews might have redeemed the 70 weeks.

Daniel would have remained sealed for an end time that would never come.

The Kingdom of God might have began in the first century.

But they missed the time of their Visitation.

And now Daniel gets unsealed....

The rest of this story is simply too elaborate to be faked.

And if there was some supernatural alien involved in this, why would they do that over a 6000 year span?

Just to show up 6000 years latter to the final generation and say:

"April fools."
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The Bible is God breathed.

It can only come from one Source.

The end time story from the Old Testament, is not the same as the end time story from the New Testament.

Yet they share the same prophetic time periods.

When Jesus was alive on Earth, it might have went either way.

The Jews might have redeemed the 70 weeks.

Daniel would have remained sealed for an end time that would never come.

The Kingdom of God might have began in the first century.

But they missed the time of their Visitation.

And now Daniel gets unsealed....

The rest of this story is simply too elaborate to be faked.

And if there was some supernatural alien involved in this, why would they do that over a 6000 year span?

Just to show up 6000 years latter to the final generation and say:

"April fools."
Those are huge claims. How are you going to support them?
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
The Bible is God breathed.

It can only come from one Source.

The end time story from the Old Testament, is not the same as the end time story from the New Testament.

Yet they share the same prophetic time periods.

When Jesus was alive on Earth, it might have went either way.

The Jews might have redeemed the 70 weeks.

Daniel would have remained sealed for an end time that would never come.

The Kingdom of God might have began in the first century.

But they missed the time of their Visitation.

And now Daniel gets unsealed....

The rest of this story is simply too elaborate to be faked.

And if there was some supernatural alien involved in this, why would they do that over a 6000 year span?

Just to show up 6000 years latter to the final generation and say:

"April fools."


The Bible is God breathed.
Nothing but an unsubstantiated claim, and can therefor be ignored..

It can only come from one Source.
Nothing but an unsubstantiated claim, and can therefor be ignored. .

The end time story from the Old Testament, is not the same as the end time story from the New Testament. Yet they share the same prophetic time periods.
Ever hear of a sequel to a novel? Do you find it surprising that the sequel to a novel would share the same time periods as the original?

The rest of this story is simply too elaborate to be faked.
Clearly you have not done very much reading during your lifetime. There are plenty of works of fiction that are just as if not more elaborate than your bible.

And if there was some supernatural alien involved in this, why would they do that over a 6000 year span?
If there was some supernatural god being involved, why would he do that over a 6000 year span?
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Those are huge claims. How are you going to support them?

Book of Daniel, 600 BC.

During the Babylonian exile

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. - Daniel 7:25

Book of Revelation, 95 AD.

Island of Patmos.

The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. - Revelation 12:14

Daniel was writing this when King Nebuchadnezzar was riding around.

John's version is a hot off the press confirmation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Book of Daniel, 600 BC.

During the Babylonian exile

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. - Daniel 7:25

Book of Revelation, 95 AD.

Island of Patmos.

The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. - Revelation 12:14

Daniel was writing this when King Nebuchadnezzar was riding around.

John's version is a hot off the press confirmation.
How do failed prophecies of the Bible help you?
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
The title says it all :)
In this thread, I want to hear people's answers to when they think humans began to walk on earth, and when life started. I looking for years back in time.

A: How old is the human race in your understanding?
B: When did the first living being come to life? (not only on earth if life is other places)

I will not take part directly in the discussion but can answer questions directed toward myself.
Of the top of my head, the last estimate I was reading (might be out of date) for the dating for mitochondrial Eve (basically the age of homo sapiens) was on the order of 200,000-250,000 years.

Wonderfully, evidence had been found that suggests the first primitive life life began over 3.8bn years ago(!), If i remember the figure from a few years back.

Creation, the Universe...is so wondrous. :)
 
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Dave Watchman

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Ever hear of a sequel to a novel? Do you find it surprising that the sequel to a novel would share the same time periods as the original?

Sure, after a couple years or so.

But not 2600 years.

Clearly you have not done very much reading during your lifetime. There are plenty of works of fiction that are just as if not more elaborate than your bible.

Not involving the diverse cross section of Biblical authors spanning that many years.

If there was some supernatural god being involved, why would he do that over a 6000 year span?

To show the angelic community the outcome of sin.

To redeem a percentage of humanity that will eventually replace the "third" of the angelic host taken by Lucifer.

To allow the Earth to rest from it's defiled state while desolate during the thousands years.

So that it can once again be made new again after the millennium is finished.

Eden to Eden.

And we've got to get ourselves,
Back to the Garden.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
I know.

I would just never say that G-d lies.

Information is being withheld at this time.

That's not the same thing as falsifying the data.

We're going to find out what's going on soon, I have a hunch what it is.

Because this guy, and his grizzly specifications,:

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Were NOT created after our image, and after our likeness.

“Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. - Genesis 1:26

If it's OUR image and OUR likeness, how many God's are there?
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
In the case of the human race about half a million years, though this did not start with Homo sapiens.

In the case of life on Earth, from the evidence about 3.5bn years ago. We have no information about other places.

I'd seen reports of evidence for an earlier time. Here's the current summary in the wiki --

The earliest time that life forms first appeared on Earth is at least 3.77 billion years ago, possibly as early as 4.28 billion years,[1] or even 4.5 billion years;[3][4] not long after the oceans formed 4.41 billion years ago, and after the formation of the Earth 4.54 billion years ago.[1][2][5][6] The earliest direct evidence of life on Earth are microfossils of microorganisms permineralized in 3.465-billion-year-old Australian Apex chert rocks.[7][8]
Earliest known life forms - Wikipedia
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
How do failed prophecies of the Bible help you?

It didn't look failed to me.

The Dragon DID chase the Woman.

All through the Foxe Book Days.

Ask Anna Charboniere during her Piedmont Easter.


AnnaCharboniereTortured.jpg


Oliver Cromwell and John Milton saw it, they knew it was happening.

Napoleon's General gave the beast it's head wound in 1798.

Like clock work the 1260 years, time, times and half a time, were finished.

It was all baked in the cake.

Now early may fly the Babylonian woe.

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold,
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones;
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To Heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The triple tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.- John Milton

300px-Waldenser-Wappen.jpg
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Sure, after a couple years or so.

But not 2600 years.



Not involving the diverse cross section of Biblical authors spanning that many years.



To show the angelic community the outcome of sin.

To redeem a percentage of humanity that will eventually replace the "third" of the angelic host taken by Lucifer.

To allow the Earth to rest from it's defiled state while desolate during the thousands years.

So that it can once again be made new again after the millennium is finished.

Eden to Eden.

And we've got to get ourselves,
Back to the Garden.

Sure, after a couple years or so.

But not 2600 years.

The time between when the original came out and when the sequels came out doesn't mean anything. If whomever wrote the sequel read the original then OF COURSE the time frames are going to match.

Not involving the diverse cross section of Biblical authors spanning that many years.
As long as everyone is reading the same source material, the number of authors and the time span involved is meaningless.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It didn't look failed to me.

The Dragon DID chase the Woman.

All through the Foxe Book Days.

Ask Anna Charboniere during her Piedmont Easter.


AnnaCharboniereTortured.jpg


Oliver Cromwell and John Milton saw it, they knew it was happening.

Napoleon's General gave the beast it's head wound in 1798.

Like clock work the 1260 years, time, times and half a time, were finished.

It was all baked in the cake.

Now early may fly the Babylonian woe.

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold,
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones;
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To Heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The triple tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.- John Milton

300px-Waldenser-Wappen.jpg
NO, that is merely reinterpreting after the fact at best. The prophecies of the Bible tend to fail for various reasons some because they are far too vague. For example the ones that you mentioned have multiple interpretations. Some fail because they were not prophecies in the first place. And some fail because they were too precise and what was predicted did not happen.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
If it's OUR image and OUR likeness, how many God's are there?

In this case, I read two.

In Genesis it's the pre - incarnate Jesus, speaking to His Father in heaven.

Jesus was the God of the Old Testament.

Jesus did creation week.

Paul said that the Rock was Christ:

"For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. - 1 Corinthians 10
When God said:

“Let us make mankind in our image, after our likeness,​

It sounds to me like He was talking about what happened BEFORE verse 2 in Genesis:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.​

Whatever happened before verse 2 caused the earth to be without form and void.

Because this guy, and his friends:

pxgyrn4g.jpg


Were definitely NOT created after the likeness of God.

Read it again and think about it.

Something bad happened back in the day, between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis.

But put the emphasis on the us and the our. It's as if these ancient monsters were not the end product of the family of God.

Somebody else must have been responsible for them, and those creatures came to a violent end.

Christ speaking to the Father:

“Let US make mankind in OUR image,
after OUR likeness,​

Not like the deadly monsters of that evil world that came before.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
In this case, I read two.

In Genesis it's the pre - incarnate Jesus, speaking to His Father in heaven.

Jesus was the God of the Old Testament.

Jesus did creation week.

Paul said that the Rock was Christ:

"For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. - 1 Corinthians 10
When God said:

“Let us make mankind in our image, after our likeness,​

It sounds to me like He was talking about what happened BEFORE verse 2 in Genesis:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.​

Whatever happened before verse 2 caused the earth to be without form and void.

Because this guy, and his friends:

pxgyrn4g.jpg


Were definitely NOT created after the likeness of God.

Read it again and think about it.

Something bad happened back in the day, between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis.

But put the emphasis on the us and the our. It's as if these ancient monsters were not the end product of the family of God.

Somebody else must have been responsible for them, and those creatures came to a violent end.

Christ speaking to the Father:

“Let US make mankind in OUR image,
after OUR likeness,​

Not like the deadly monsters of that evil world that came before.
How do you know? What is wrong with dinosaurs? I like them. I have had them as pets.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
NO, that is merely reinterpreting after the fact at best. The prophecies of the Bible tend to fail for various reasons some because they are far too vague. For example the ones that you mentioned have multiple interpretations. Some fail because they were not prophecies in the first place. And some fail because they were too precise and what was predicted did not happen.

I know that's what it looks like.

I also know that I'm fighting against a headwind of previous prophecy expositors, but while we're talking the prophetic time periods, 1290 days from an Abomination, until a "darkened' sun, would be a pretty tough thing to fake.

Even by a Dragon empowered composite beast.

Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I know that's what it looks like.

I also know that I'm fighting against a headwind of previous prophecy expositors, but while we're talking the prophetic time periods, 1290 days from an Abomination, until a "darkened' sun, would be a pretty tough thing to fake.

Even by a Dragon empowered composite beast.

Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results
Sorry, but you are just hand waving at best. Other Christian sects will have their own interpretation. The fact is that any "prophecy" that can be interpreted in all these different ways is not a prophecy. By your standards Nostradamus beat the Bible prophets hands down since his prophecies have been "fulfilled" multiple times. If you want to claim evidence you need to see what evidence other have when the same standards apply.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
How do you know? What is wrong with dinosaurs? I like them. I have had them as pets.

It goes without saying.

Just look at them.

Look at their specifications, their weight, the teeth and the biting pressure of the T Rex.

Look at his arms, look at his claws.

Do you think he will play a guitar or a piano with you.

Do you think he will talk about Bible prophecy or the big bang with you.

Who's image and likeness was he created after.

Not ours.

His end was violent.

Not happy.

Apocalyptic.

pxgyrn4g.jpg
 
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