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Heaven

Dave Watchman

Active Member
If a heaven existed then people quoting scriptures (usually completely irrelevant) all the time is just one very good example of why i dont want to go.

What's irrelevant about Revelation 19:6-9, the marriage supper of the Lamb?

People dressed in fine clothes for a fancy dinner.

"Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.”​

Like the ultimate Family reunion of all history.

"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. - Revelation 3:20​

But if you've made up you mind, you don't want to go, and you can't order it in, maybe I can fix up a plate and sneak it out in a doggie bag for you.

I think that I can make the trip, from heaven to here, in about 3.5 minutes, traveling in swift flight at about mach 92.

Heaven is a physical building, like a giant Borg cube, but bright and beautiful.

It has to be close enough so that people will see it with the naked eye when Revelation 11 takes place.

"Then, in heaven, the Temple of God was opened and the Ark of his covenant could be seen inside the Temple. Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and roared, and there was an earthquake and a terrible hailstorm. - Revelation 11:19​

Daniel reads a prayer in Chapter 9 that takes about 3.5 minutes. When he finishes, Gabriel says, as soon as you began to pray, I was sent. For you are a man greatly loved.

"At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision: - Daniel 9:23​

So it took Gabriel about 3.5 minutes to get from New Jerusalem (heaven), to Daniel's location on Earth.

Even at it's largest stated size, the New Jerusalem from Revelation 21 would tuck nicely inside the moon with all 8 of it's corners just 20 feet below the lunar surface.

When the Temple in Heaven is opened, and the Ark of His Covenant is revealed, the people on Earth are going to see that Heaven was never really that far away.

People would be taking a stroke if the New Jerusalem busted out of it's hiding place, cloaked all this time inside of the moon.

One of the last things they see would be heaven orbiting the earth.

All these years.

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NewJerusalemintheMoon

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"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? - Arthur Conan Doyle
Peaceful Sabbath.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
What's irrelevant about Revelation 19:6-9, the marriage supper of the Lamb?

People dressed in fine clothes for a fancy dinner.

"Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.”​

Like the ultimate Family reunion of all history.

"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. - Revelation 3:20​

But if you've made up you mind, you don't want to go, and you can't order it in, maybe I can fix up a plate and sneak it out in a doggie bag for you.

I think that I can make the trip, from heaven to here, in about 3.5 minutes, traveling in swift flight at about mach 92.

Heaven is a physical building, like a giant Borg cube, but bright and beautiful.

It has to be close enough so that people will see it with the naked eye when Revelation 11 takes place.

"Then, in heaven, the Temple of God was opened and the Ark of his covenant could be seen inside the Temple. Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and roared, and there was an earthquake and a terrible hailstorm. - Revelation 11:19​

Daniel reads a prayer in Chapter 9 that takes about 3.5 minutes. When he finishes, Gabriel says, as soon as you began to pray, I was sent. For you are a man greatly loved.

"At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision: - Daniel 9:23​

So it took Gabriel about 3.5 minutes to get from New Jerusalem (heaven), to Daniel's location on Earth.

Even at it's largest stated size, the New Jerusalem from Revelation 21 would tuck nicely inside the moon with all 8 of it's corners just 20 feet below the lunar surface.

When the Temple in Heaven is opened, and the Ark of His Covenant is revealed, the people on Earth are going to see that Heaven was never really that far away.

People would be taking a stroke if the New Jerusalem busted out of it's hiding place, cloaked all this time inside of the moon.

One of the last things they see would be heaven orbiting the earth.

All these years.

NewJerusaleminMoon-307x221.jpg

NewJerusalemintheMoon

0wVo93U.jpg


vsUBoal.jpg


"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? - Arthur Conan Doyle
Peaceful Sabbath.

Irrelevant to the thread

And although probably highly relevant to you to quote bronze age mythical writings and stylised guesswork pictures they are in no way relevant to anyone not of your mindset.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Irrelevant to the thread

How is the cloaked location of heaven, irrelevant to a thread with the title "Heaven?"

Unless you have changed the subject of the thread into that of one of coco.

And although probably highly relevant to you to quote bronze age mythical writings and stylised guesswork pictures they are in no way relevant to anyone not of your mindset.

I wonder if you are perplexed by such a high percentage of people that believe in heaven and in the "bronze age mythical writings" found in the number one best selling and distributed book on the planet?


Congratulations on being the number one, out of 23 posters, on a thread named heaven.

I wonder if you were able to sneak your way into heaven, but really didn't like it there, would they allow you to be excused?

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

“But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are invited,
but few are chosen.”



Peaceful Sabbath.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
How is the cloaked location of heaven, irrelevant to a thread with the title "Heaven?"

Unless you have changed the subject of the thread into that of one of coco.



I wonder if you are perplexed by such a high percentage of people that believe in heaven and in the "bronze age mythical writings" found in the number one best selling and distributed book on the planet?


Congratulations on being the number one, out of 23 posters, on a thread named heaven.

I wonder if you were able to sneak your way into heaven, but really didn't like it there, would they allow you to be excused?

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

“But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are invited,
but few are chosen.”



Peaceful Sabbath.

Your evidence heaven even exist yet alone it being cloaked?

No, i know there are many gullible people and as for number one best selling, have you actually checked which books are listed in all time best sellers? The bible is not in the top 100. It s however the most published. The bulk of the publications are given away.

Wrong, the bible says jesus... There is no actual evidence for a jesus saying anything in the bible, there is not even any evidence that he existed as described in the bible, there is not even any falsifiable evidence he existed at all

And all the best to you
 

syo

Well-Known Member
I’m going to utilize an analogy here.

You live in a town where there is a very special restaurant.

Suppose this restaurant advertises that it has the absolute best food ever tasted.

Suppose it’s ads claim that it’s all free of charge.

Suppose it claims to have the finest first class service.

But,

To get in, a person must do two things.

  1. Make a reservation ahead of time.
  2. Wear nice clothes

You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that what is advertised is true. Would you be interested?


Now, let’s talk about heaven. It’s been advertised to be a pretty good place. Lots of positives, no negatives.


What if there were only two things that you needed to do to get in:

  1. Have a true desire to be nice to other people. (including on RF)
  2. Have a true desire to try not to be mean to other people.

What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
Why not?
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
I’m going to utilize an analogy here.

You live in a town where there is a very special restaurant.

Suppose this restaurant advertises that it has the absolute best food ever tasted.

Suppose it’s ads claim that it’s all free of charge.

Suppose it claims to have the finest first class service.

But,

To get in, a person must do two things.

  1. Make a reservation ahead of time.
  2. Wear nice clothes

You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that what is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
I wouldn't be interested until i'm convinced it's not scam.
Now, let’s talk about heaven. It’s been advertised to be a pretty good place. Lots of positives, no negatives.


What if there were only two things that you needed to do to get in:

  1. Have a true desire to be nice to other people. (including on RF)
  2. Have a true desire to try not to be mean to other people.

What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
I take it that you meant to ask "Would I be interested to go to heaven?".

I wouldn't be interested until i'm convinced heaven exists and what it advertised is true.

About the true desire you mention, i take it that you meant the person be nice to other people not because it's the requirement to go to heaven, but because he thinks it's the right thing to do. If he's convinced heaven doesn't exist, he'll still be nice to other people. Is that what you meant by true desire?
 
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