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Is all news "fake news"..?

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Landon Caeli said:
I have been asking some other posters to teach me what fake news is, and to give me some examples, but in the end, their consensus was that all news is opinionated -but yet, nobody would make the connecting leap to say that ALL news is fake news.

So please, explain to me what is fake news and what is not fake news. I need examples. Thanks.
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Examples of fake news....
I once heard NPR report that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
It was actually Tina Fey (impersonating Sarah Palin) who said on Saturday Night Live.
Fake news can be either intentional misreporting or reporting so agenda laden, sloppy,
& unverified that it disseminates false information.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Landon Caeli said:
Well then, is it acceptable that Trump calls CNN fake news? If the concept of fake news is subjective?

...Or is there some objectively identifiable fake news out there in the mainstream that can be cited as such?
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The problem with using Trump as any sort of guide is that Trump calls any news he dislikes fake.
It does not matter the truth or fact content.

ALL news is biased.
Not all news is fake.
But the only way to determine how fake and or bias is to do some research on your own.

For example, I kept hearing all manner of stuff that is supposedly in Obamacare.
Both good and bad.
Unfortunately, every time I asked for where in the Obamacare text said stuff was located, not a single person, for or against, could point it out.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Shadow Wolf said:
That crap is why I think we may need some regulation on what can be considered news. Or call it news still, but bear the label entertainment if you're going to make up crap like that.
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Personally I look at all news news as personal entertainment opinion until I can verify otherwise.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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Landon Caeli said:
So please, explain to me what is fake news and what is not fake news. I
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Depends if you focus on the intent or the outcome.

If outcome, anything demonstrably untrue is fake news.
If intent, then it's when someone makes up story they know is false for the purpose of spreading misinformation.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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Mestemia said:
Personally I look at all news news as personal entertainment opinion until I can verify otherwise.
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Our brains don't work like that. All information we are exposed to affects us to some extent. If you consume a fair amount of news media, you will retain a reasonable you are exposed to as 'true' regardless of any verification. All the scepticism in the world can't change this.

The only way to avoid being misinformed by the media is to avoid it. As the closer the news is to the event, the higher the chances it will turn out to be wrong, avoiding breaking news is the most important. Using less frequently updated sources (weekly, monthly, etc) reduces misinformation exposure significantly.

No one can consume significant amounts of daily news without acquiring a fair deal of 'anti-knowledge' (incorrect beliefs retained as true).
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Landon Caeli said:
I have been asking some other posters to teach me what fake news is, and to give me some examples, but in the end, their consensus was that all news is opinionated -but yet, nobody would make the connecting leap to say that ALL news is fake news.

So please, explain to me what is fake news and what is not fake news. I need examples. Thanks.
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You should drop the term "fake" from your question because it's meant to mislead. The question is; are you being presented facts, or fiction, and are the facts being selectively presented to achieve an agenda.
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Augustus said:
Our brains don't work like that. All information we are exposed to affects us to some extent. If you consume a fair amount of news media, you will retain a reasonable you are exposed to as 'true' regardless of any verification. All the scepticism in the world can't change this.

The only way to avoid being misinformed by the media is to avoid it. As the closer the news is to the event, the higher the chances it will turn out to be wrong, avoiding breaking news is the most important. Using less frequently updated sources (weekly, monthly, etc) reduces misinformation exposure significantly.

No one can consume significant amounts of daily news without acquiring a fair deal of 'anti-knowledge' (incorrect beliefs retained as true).
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Ah,
That explains Creationists...
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
Staff member
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
Examples of fake news....
I once heard NPR report that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
It was actually Tina Fey (impersonating Sarah Palin) who said on Saturday Night Live.
Fake news can be either intentional misreporting or reporting so agenda laden, sloppy,
& unverified that it disseminates false information.
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Is that fake news or an unwitting praise of Tina Fey's performance?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
Examples of fake news....
I once heard NPR report that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.
It was actually Tina Fey (impersonating Sarah Palin) who said on Saturday Night Live.
Fake news can be either intentional misreporting or reporting so agenda laden, sloppy,
& unverified that it disseminates false information.
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Yes, but Palin did say something that was pretty much the same thing and just as dumb.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Subduction Zone said:
Yes, but Palin did say something that was pretty much the same thing and just as dumb.
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She said dumb things, but the seeing Russia was not something she said, and tons of people still believe she did. And that wasn't even news but the sketch on a satire show. Double checking and cross referencing and occasionally thinking to look something up is what is needed to learn what facts over fallacies, dispel myths, and sometimes remind ourselves of what we really read.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
She said dumb things, but the seeing Russia was not something she said, and tons of people still believe she did. And that wasn't even news but the sketch on a satire show. Double checking and cross referencing and occasionally thinking to look something up is what is needed to learn what facts over fallacies, dispel myths, and sometimes remind ourselves of what we really read.
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Actually she said that you can see Russia from parts of her state in a response to a question asking what insights she had on Russia. About as dumb as me saying that I can see Canada from my state in regards to Canadian insights.
 
leov

leov

Well-Known Member
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Anyone remember a while back the Onion article about email tax that got the government all up in arms?
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
If someone deliberately lies and a media outlet reports it when they know it's a lie, that's fake news plain and simple.

If someone lies and fools the media, the news is false but the media outlet was guilty of not fact checking. I would call that misleading but not fake.

If you compare a real news headline from MSNBC and Fox, you'll see media bias at work by the choice of words and emphasis.

WIkipedia's page on fake news is illuminating:

Fake news (also known as junk news, pseudo-news, or hoax news)[1][2] is a form of news consisting of deliberate disinformation or hoaxes spread via traditional news media (print and broadcast) or online social media
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Fake news is written and published usually with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically,[7][8][9] often using sensationalist, dishonest, or outright fabricated headlines to increase readership.
 
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