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Soul and body

syo

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The Orthodox Christians believe that a human soul is a creation of God and the purpose of the soul is to govern the human body, which is also a creation. If the soul is a ceation, then it's useless. The Orthodox Christians got that wrong, in my opinion. The soul is not a creation. But Orthodox claim it is a creation and it is full of sin and can go to hell. They think the soul is born and can die. All the point of christianity is included in a created mortal soul. They think that a mortal soul can win over death only by joining God. So God is the only thing alive and us we are dead.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
The Orthodox Christians believe that a human soul is a creation of God and the purpose of the soul is to govern the human body, which is also a creation. If the soul is a ceation, then it's useless. The Orthodox Christians got that wrong, in my opinion. The soul is not a creation. But Orthodox claim it is a creation and it is full of sin and can go to hell. They think the soul is born and can die. All the point of christianity is included in a created mortal soul. They think that a mortal soul can win over death only by joining God. So God is the only thing alive and us we are dead.
Is this a statement or a question we can discuss?
 

Spirit of Light

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We can discuss. Are the Orthodox right? Is the soul a creation and God the only living thing???
In my understanding our soul or spirit is a part of everything, just as a God is a part of everything, someone calls this everything for source, But because of our own downfall from heavenly realms (more then one realm) we have become human beings trapped in a human body, but this does not mean we only have one spirit/soul. In my understanding, we can have up to multiple spirits, so our main spirit is our consciousness as we experience every day, then we have the primordial spirit, that is a part of us, but in the same time it has its own thoughts, and it is on a higher level of enlightenment than our consciousness. but we are all linked to the main source, so what we have to do is to cultivate our self up to the realization of enlightenment, so we can come back to the true "self" within the source.

I might miss out some truth in this, because it is a very difficult topic, but when i realize more i will write it :) And others may understand it differently then i do
 

syo

Well-Known Member
In my understanding our soul or spirit is a part of everything, just as a God is a part of everything, someone calls this everything for source, But because of our own downfall from heavenly realms (more then one realm) we have become human beings trapped in a human body, but this does not mean we only have one spirit/soul. In my understanding, we can have up to multiple spirits, so our main spirit is our consciousness as we experience every day, then we have the primordial spirit, that is a part of us, but in the same time it has its own thoughts, and it is on a higher level of enlightenment than our consciousness. but we are all linked to the main source, so what we have to do is to cultivate our self up to the realization of enlightenment, so we can come back to the true "self" within the source.

I might miss out some truth in this, because it is a very difficult topic, but when i realize more i will write it :) And others may understand it differently then i do
The souls that we have are they creations or are they equally divine? Are the souls part of God or creations of God?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
The souls that we have are they creations or are they equally divine? Are the souls part of God or creations of God?
Depend on what you think of when you say God :) But everything is part of Truthfulness, compassion, forbearance. so when we human beings rise to the standard of this, we become like God because in my understanding a God (there are many) are of Truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.
But as long human beings do not live according to these 3 aspects of life, then we are not of God
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Is the soul a creation and God the only living thing?
There is no evidence for existence of God as well as soul. All things are living. Even the stone has whirring electrons around neutrons and protons. Nothing is dead. We are looking at things from a wrong angle. All the contradictions disappear when we accept that we as well as the stone are made up of physical energy. Till we are in this form, we do things that humans do. When we die, what constitutes us mingles back into the elements. No God or soul required. All clap-trap surgically removed.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
With regard to belief about soul and body, creation, etc., there are many beliefs. I don't attach 'right or wrong' to any of them. People reflect, or read, or are told about it, and come to the decision that makes the most sense to them. It's not about being right or wrong.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
Depend on what you think of when you say God :) But everything is part of Truthfulness, compassion, forbearance. so when we human beings rise to the standard of this, we become like God because in my understanding a God (there are many) are of Truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.
But as long human beings do not live according to these 3 aspects of life, then we are not of God
I see. But the question is more of cosmogony. In cosmogony, are souls created or are they immortal as God is? The Orthodox believe the souls are creations and they are not divine. In my opinion, the souls are divine and immortal. Purely cosmogony question.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
There is no evidence for existence of God as well as soul. All things are living. Even the stone has whirring electrons around neutrons and protons. Nothing is dead. We are looking at things from a wrong angle. All the contradictions disappear when we accept that we as well as the stone are made up of physical energy. Till we are in this form, we do things that humans do. When we die, what constitutes us mingles back into the elements. No God or soul required. All clap-trap surgically removed.
Gods and souls are one, they connect our bodies. A body alone does nothing. In Cosmogony you need a starting point.
 

syo

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With regard to belief about soul and body, creation, etc., there are many beliefs. I don't attach 'right or wrong' to any of them. People reflect, or read, or are told about it, and come to the decision that makes the most sense to them. It's not about being right or wrong.
Isn't cosmogony about logic?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Gods and souls are one, they connect our bodies. A body alone does nothing. In Cosmogony you need a starting point.
Well, your views. In cosmology, there can be a hundred starting points and a hundred universes.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I see. But the question is more of cosmogony. In cosmogony, are souls created or are they immortal as God is? The Orthodox believe the souls are creations and they are not divine. In my opinion, the souls are divine and immortal. Purely cosmogony question.
The spirit/ soul will reincarnate into humans physical world if we do not reach enlightenment, so I will think that the soul is eternal as long we do not accumulate so much karma that even the soul can no longer exist, then we will be fully gone. But I do not know enough on this subject to give a full good answer
 
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Hawkins

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The Orthodox Christians believe that a human soul is a creation of God and the purpose of the soul is to govern the human body, which is also a creation. If the soul is a ceation, then it's useless. The Orthodox Christians got that wrong, in my opinion. The soul is not a creation. But Orthodox claim it is a creation and it is full of sin and can go to hell. They think the soul is born and can die. All the point of christianity is included in a created mortal soul. They think that a mortal soul can win over death only by joining God. So God is the only thing alive and us we are dead.

If you murdered someone but died and with your body decayed, is there any point to clone a genetic exact to stand trial?

A soul is necessary as it represents the You even when your body (which serves as your image for other humans to reckon you) is gone. It guarantees it's the same you to stand trial after a resurrection.
 
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Aupmanyav

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"The multiverse, also known as a maniverse, megaverse, metaverse, omniverse, or meta-universe, is a hypothetical group of multiple universes. Together, these universes comprise everything that exists: the entirety of space, time, matter, energy, information, and the physical laws and constants that describe them. The different universes within the multiverse are called "parallel universes", "other universes", "alternate universes", or "alterverses"."
Multiverse - Wikipedia
 

syo

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"The multiverse, also known as a maniverse, megaverse, metaverse, omniverse, or meta-universe, is a hypothetical group of multiple universes. Together, these universes comprise everything that exists: the entirety of space, time, matter, energy, information, and the physical laws and constants that describe them. The different universes within the multiverse are called "parallel universes", "other universes", "alternate universes", or "alterverses"."
Multiverse - Wikipedia
And Math don't count in them?
 
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