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Heaven

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I find Heaven is 'the icing on the cake' only for some few people like those of Luke 22:19; Revelation 2:10; 20:6.
These are to be the holy ones or saints of Daniel 7:18. <-Resurrected people never become angels.
ALL who died before Jesus (John 3:13) are Not offered Heaven, but an earthly resurrection.- Acts 24:15
The figurative humble 'sheep'-like people on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth are Not offered Heaven but the opportunity to remain alive on Earth to be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth when it begins.- Matthew 25:31-33,37
Since 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth, then many people can gain everlasting life on Earth. -1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Everlasting life on Earth as was God's original purpose for Earth when eternal life on Earth was offered to Adam before his downfall.
As it was then, so it shall be again.
OK.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Reminds me of my first experience of fondue. My mum-in-law (to be) placed a dish of steak bits before me.... and a long fork. Looking in horror at Louise I whispered 'But I can't eat raw meat!'

Not my best moment.

Raw meat is a treat, if cooked property.

Cut off its horns and show it the pan. (Actually i prefer it a minute a side)

Tartar doesn't even need cooking.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
eh
chocolate is over rated

I am talking french chocolate here, 90% cocoa beans, whipped with fresh, unpasteurised cream, the real stuff, not the ________ (fill in blank) bar type of muck you get in America
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
I am talking french chocolate here, 90% cocoa beans, whipped with fresh, unpasteurised cream, the real stuff, not the ________ (fill in blank) bar type of muck you get in America
Even more overrated, IMO
but to be fair, I use Hershey's as the basis for comparison.
And that is only because Hershey's is the chocolate I have had the most of.

Now while I lived in Germany, Kinder Eggs were the ****.
Sadly, the FDA does not allow them in the USA
The ********
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Even more overrated, IMO
but to be fair, I use Hershey's as the basis for comparison.
And that is only because Hershey's is the chocolate I have had the most of.

Now while I lived in Germany, Kinder Eggs were the ****.
Sadly, the FDA does not allow them in the USA
The ********


Chocolate, the food of love, how can that be over rated?

A Hershey is no comparison to the real thing. Much (not all) the chocolate here is hand made by artisan chocolatiers. There is passion and care taken in its manufacture. It is a delight to the senses.

Dont think ive had a kinder egg since i was a toddler so cant really rate them, as i remember there was not much chocolate in them and more milk/cream to satisfy younger taste buds
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I find that no god has been proven to exist.
Translation of which of the hundreds of versions of the bible?
Religion has caused much of that hurt and injury and while religion keeps killing and maiming in the name of their god then it wont stop
Bingo! the 'world's religions' (aka Babylon the Great, the religious 'queen' of Revelation 18:7) thinks she sits as a 'queen' to earth's 'kings' (rulers) and thinks she will never see mourning or sorrow.
False religion's clergy seat themselves in 'houses of worship' as if they are God, but in reality they are anti-God.
To such religion's surprise ' out of the blue ' the political 'kings' will suddenly turn on their religious 'queen'.

There are both translations and some paraphrased editions ( loose translations )
Translations can be checked against the ancient manuscripts and thus we can see the internal harmony among the many Bible writers.
The Bible is chock full of corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages.
When Jesus said, 'it is written....' Jesus was referring to the old Hebrew Scriptures expounding them for us.
Surely we hear disturbing TV and radio news which ties in with what is recorded at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
Around here I see more-and-more fierce driving being done, and we see how fierce the political realm now is.
Ask most people and they say they want ' peace ' so, if the majority of people want peace then logically there should be more peace in the world, More peace unless there are behind-the-scenes bad influences.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Chocolate, the food of love, how can that be over rated?
A Hershey is no comparison to the real thing. Much (not all) the chocolate here is hand made by artisan chocolatiers. There is passion and care taken in its manufacture. It is a delight to the senses.
Dont think ive had a kinder egg since i was a toddler so cant really rate them, as i remember there was not much chocolate in them and more milk/cream to satisfy younger taste buds

Hershey was the first candy I was given ( one bar each Sunday ) .
However, I got upset with Hershey when Junior High's class trip to tour the Hershey chocolate factory (1959-60) I thought for sure we'd at least get a Hershey kiss, and we did Not even get a sample of any chocolate.
I wondered how they could do such a thing to a kid. I'm still mad at that day's memory.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Reminds me of my first experience of fondue. My mum-in-law (to be) placed a dish of steak bits before me.... and a long fork. Looking in horror at Louise I whispered 'But I can't eat raw meat!'
Not my best moment.

Not my best moment either. It was with a shrimp fondue and the recipe called for a lot of tarragon.
Yipes, to this day I don't want any tarragon. So much tarragon in that recipe that there was next to no taste of shrimp.
What a waste of good money.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
I notice you mentioned nothing about the idea of Earth not being well thought out.
What about eternally Earthly bliss, so to speak (everlasting life on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall)

Why would you think God would be incomplete not to include Earthly bliss. God is complete, perfect, and whole. This would include everything possible Earthly experience.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Bingo! the 'world's religions' (aka Babylon the Great, the religious 'queen' of Revelation 18:7) thinks she sits as a 'queen' to earth's 'kings' (rulers) and thinks she will never see mourning or sorrow.
False religion's clergy seat themselves in 'houses of worship' as if they are God, but in reality they are anti-God.
To such religion's surprise ' out of the blue ' the political 'kings' will suddenly turn on their religious 'queen'.

There are both translations and some paraphrased editions ( loose translations )
Translations can be checked against the ancient manuscripts and thus we can see the internal harmony among the many Bible writers.
The Bible is chock full of corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages.
When Jesus said, 'it is written....' Jesus was referring to the old Hebrew Scriptures expounding them for us.
Surely we hear disturbing TV and radio news which ties in with what is recorded at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
Around here I see more-and-more fierce driving being done, and we see how fierce the political realm now is.
Ask most people and they say they want ' peace ' so, if the majority of people want peace then logically there should be more peace in the world, More peace unless there are behind-the-scenes bad influences.

The bible is also chock full of contradictions. Many, many contradictions that Christians either pretend dont exist and ignore or make up apologetics (excuses) for.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Hershey was the first candy I was given ( one bar each Sunday ) .
However, I got upset with Hershey when Junior High's class trip to tour the Hershey chocolate factory (1959-60) I thought for sure we'd at least get a Hershey kiss, and we did Not even get a sample of any chocolate.
I wondered how they could do such a thing to a kid. I'm still mad at that day's memory.

There is a chocolate museum about 80km from us, they don't give samples either ;-).

But most artisans will pass a delight or two to visiting children.

I have never had a Hershey bar, they are (or were) not available in the UK, by the time i visited America i had grown a set of taste buds so didn't want to spoil them.

This is Old-s, not New-s
Hershey to launch confectionery brands in UK and Europe
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?

Humans don't have the ability to go both outside our own space and get to a point in a future. That's why you need a God to get to that info. So all left is lying on how humans get to information. 1) a face to face chat, or 2) a writing on a paper (now it's in a html page).

If God doesn't want a face to face chat for a reason, you then have to get that piece of info somehow from writings.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
It gets a bit complicated because there are two different aspects of the discussion. One is the state of those in heaven before the resurrection and one is the state after.

As Paul says, "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."

I know it's complicated.

Your idea of the people "sleeping" in heaven is one of a few that I've heard.

Paul's writings can be confusing, but I think he means the people already dead and sleeping in the earth.

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going. - Ecclesiastes 9:10​

Here Paul seems to refer to the people not on earth, who we typically consider to be dead, to be asleep. I don't claim to be an authority but he may mean those "sleeping" in heaven, as in not lucid, like in a dream that makes them happy, rather than truly conscious in the heavenly realms. Now after the resurrection the sleepers and the conscious ones will both be changed and the sleepers presumably be awake in the new world.

I don't claim to be an authority either, but I'd bet those that sleep, are doing it in the dust of the earth.

"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. - Daniel 12:2​

Paul also said God will bring with Him, those who have fallen asleep.

I don't think that Paul means bring them from heaven to HERE, I think he means bring them from HERE to heaven.

Because of what Jesus said in John 14.

He's going THERE to prepare a place for us, then come back HERE to take us back to heaven with Him.

I like that verse, we do not grieve as others do who have no hope.

"But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus,

God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.

For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.

And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17​

"And the dead in Christ will rise first.

They rise up out of their graves and into the air to be with Jesus.

Then it's a 3.5 minute trip to New Jerusalem, the Father's House with many rooms, for the marriage supper of the Lamb. That's going to be spooky, like a second Exodus.

"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. - John 14:2-3​

Therefore encourage one another with these words.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Love the restaurant, i always make reservations and dress nicely. And their chocolate desert is to die for.

Heaven, no, it would be full of sanctimonious religious types who dont really enjoy a good meal

You are lucky.

Since you must have met some sanctimonious religious types who have met the two requirements. I’m still looking.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
There is a chocolate museum about 80km from us, they don't give samples either ;-).

But most artisans will pass a delight or two to visiting children.

I have never had a Hershey bar, they are (or were) not available in the UK, by the time i visited America i had grown a set of taste buds so didn't want to spoil them.

This is Old-s, not New-s
Hershey to launch confectionery brands in UK and Europe

One can never get too much chocolate.
Just in case I can’t get chocolate in heaven, I make sure I get my daily dose here.
 
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