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Heaven

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Ahh so you have been?
Right now I am whispering to my coffee, and where I have been is traveling to and fro through the pages of Scripture.
Although many do Not put much stock in Scripture that is where we learn about a coming happy future.
Not necessarily a heavenly future for all, but a future on a paradisical Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5.
This future will include having good food to enjoy for all everlasting life on a beautiful Earth.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Right now I am whispering to my coffee, and where I have been is traveling to and fro through the pages of Scripture.
Although many do Not put much stock in Scripture that is where we learn about a coming happy future.
Not necessarily a heavenly future for all, but a future on a paradisical Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5.
This future will include having good food to enjoy for all everlasting life on a beautiful Earth.

I prefer reality than putting my faith in what is, for the most part, historical mythology
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Shouldn't you be interested anyway? And isn't Heaven the icing on the cake?
I find Heaven is 'the icing on the cake' only for some few people like those of Luke 22:19; Revelation 2:10; 20:6.
These are to be the holy ones or saints of Daniel 7:18. <-Resurrected people never become angels.
ALL who died before Jesus (John 3:13) are Not offered Heaven, but an earthly resurrection.- Acts 24:15
The figurative humble 'sheep'-like people on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth are Not offered Heaven but the opportunity to remain alive on Earth to be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth when it begins.- Matthew 25:31-33,37
Since 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth, then many people can gain everlasting life on Earth. -1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Everlasting life on Earth as was God's original purpose for Earth when eternal life on Earth was offered to Adam before his downfall.
As it was then, so it shall be again.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I prefer reality than putting my faith in what is, for the most part, historical mythology
I find 'reality' is that we have reached the ' final phase ' about declaring good news about God's kingdom government.
Even modern technology has made the 'reality' of rapid Bible translation possible so that now people even in remote areas can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
So, the 'reality' now is coming, the 'final signal ' when the powers-that-be will be saying, " Peace and Security...", and this may look like a rosy 'reality', but this is just looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.
To me 'reality' is in man's history that man has dominated man to man's hurt, to man's injury, and man won't stop that.
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
The restaurant i am talking about does a beef stew using ribeye steak braised in red monbazillac for 8 hours. With seasonal veg thrown in for the last hour or so. Will that do?

Not unless it serves jam roly-poly! :yum:
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I appreciate the great response. Nothing really to add except, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus come."..............
A turkey farmer in our area posted a sign just as you posted ^ Above ^. " Even so, come, Lord Jesus come ".
Plus, he added, " Come today ".
I wrote him that perhaps ' today ' is a little too soon.
First, the powers-that-be will be saying, " Peace and Security..." but that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, comes to usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
Now he changed the sign to read, " Even so, Lord Jesus, come today ! "
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You do realise, of course, that Welsh is the language of Heaven? :praying:
I do know welsh is a language on Earth, but since God dealt through the Hebrew people then it might seem logical that Hebrew is the language of Heaven.
One English teacher taught us that Hebrew is a very comprehensive language.
I would think then that the God of Heaven would be comprehensive.
Seems to me after Armageddon (Psalms 46:9) mankind will learn one comprehensive language for all to use.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I think your idea of Heaven is not well thought out. I think when we die God uses His omnipotent powers of forgiveness allow everyone through the gates of Heaven to experience eternally Heavenly bliss regardless of our Earthly sins or how we practiced, or not practiced, our religion. Everyone is saved just by showing up which is good news for a lot of people. When we die we go into the light, we look into the face of God, and we experience God's infinite beauty. When this happens this is the greatest possible fulfilling experience one can have. We become so enamored by God's radiance and infinite beauty, we no longer have conscious thought or experience the self. We become absorbed back into the mind or consciousness of God which is where we originated from when we were born. If you don't think this is true then your faith is not strong enough to have faith in a God of unconditional love. God's love has no limits or boundaries.
I notice you mentioned nothing about the idea of Earth not being well thought out.
What about eternally Earthly bliss, so to speak (everlasting life on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
It gets a bit complicated because there are two different aspects of the discussion. One is the state of those in heaven before the resurrection and one is the state after. As Paul says, "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."
Here Paul seems to refer to the people not on earth, who we typically consider to be dead, to be asleep. I don't claim to be an authority but he may mean those "sleeping" in heaven, as in not lucid, like in a dream that makes them happy, rather than truly conscious in the heavenly realms. Now after the resurrection the sleepers and the conscious ones will both be changed and the sleepers presumably be awake in the new world.

Some are called to Heaven - Like those of Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 2:10; 20:6
They have that first or earlier resurrection as mentioned ^ above ^ .
The majority of mankind (John 3:13) can have a later or future resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Those of us still alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37
The figurative humble ' sheep'-like people can remain alive on Earth, and be on Earth to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth when it begins.
Since ' enemy death ' will then be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8 - then there will also be everlasting life on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
I do know welsh is a language on Earth, but since God dealt through the Hebrew people then it might seem logical that Hebrew is the language of Heaven.
One English teacher taught us that Hebrew is a very comprehensive language.
I would think then that the God of Heaven would be comprehensive.
Seems to me after Armageddon (Psalms 46:9) mankind will learn one comprehensive language for all to use.

Relax....I was joking.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I find 'reality' is that we have reached the ' final phase ' about declaring good news about God's kingdom government.
Even modern technology has made the 'reality' of rapid Bible translation possible so that now people even in remote areas can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
So, the 'reality' now is coming, the 'final signal ' when the powers-that-be will be saying, " Peace and Security...", and this may look like a rosy 'reality', but this is just looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.
To me 'reality' is in man's history that man has dominated man to man's hurt, to man's injury, and man won't stop that.

I find that no god has been proven to exist.

Translation of which of the hundreds of versions of the bible?

Religion has caused much of that hurt and injury and while religion keeps killing and maiming in the name of their god then it wont stop
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Rather fond of chocolate, but not as icing....or chocolate cake. Guess the old taste buds are not what they were :(

This is bowl of warm chocolate fondant with a crisp chocolate glaze on top.
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
This is bowl of warm chocolate fondant with a crisp chocolate glaze on top.

Reminds me of my first experience of fondue. My mum-in-law (to be) placed a dish of steak bits before me.... and a long fork. Looking in horror at Louise I whispered 'But I can't eat raw meat!'

Not my best moment.
 
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