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Heaven

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I find Heaven is full of angels. (the bad angels aka devils are expelled)
Besides angels I find there are some people called to Heaven and they are the holy ones or saints of Daniel 7:18.
The majority of mankind (John 3:13) will find themselves on a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden originally was.
This means for those of us who do Not have a heavenly calling we will have food to love including choc. desert.
After Armageddon ( Psalms 46:9 ) I want a BIG dish of chocolate ice cream with lots of whipped cream on top.

Ahh so you have been?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
"To clothe herself
with fine linen, bright and pure. - Revelation 19:8

"Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!” - Revelation 16:15



But it sounds like you don't really want to go.

“Hallelujah!
For the Lord our God
the Almighty reigns.
Let us rejoice and exult
and give him the glory,
for the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself
with fine linen, bright and pure”—

for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me,​

“These are the true words of God.” - Revelation 19:6-9

Maybe there's a way you can order in.

If a heaven existed then people quoting scriptures (usually completely irrelevant) all the time is just one very good example of why i dont want to go.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
I will check on Google or in the phone book whether the restaurant exists or not. :)
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I’m going to utilize an analogy here.

You live in a town where there is a very special restaurant.

Suppose this restaurant advertises that it has the absolute best food ever tasted.

Suppose it’s ads claim that it’s all free of charge.

Suppose it claims to have the finest first class service.

But,

To get in, a person must do two things.

  1. Make a reservation ahead of time.
  2. Wear nice clothes

You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that what is advertised is true. Would you be interested?


Now, let’s talk about heaven. It’s been advertised to be a pretty good place. Lots of positives, no negatives.


What if there were only two things that you needed to do to get in:

  1. Have a true desire to be nice to other people. (including on RF)
  2. Have a true desire to try not to be mean to other people.

What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
Shouldn't you be interested anyway? And isn't Heaven the icing on the cake?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I’m going to utilize an analogy here.

You live in a town where there is a very special restaurant.

Suppose this restaurant advertises that it has the absolute best food ever tasted.

Suppose it’s ads claim that it’s all free of charge.

Suppose it claims to have the finest first class service.

But,

To get in, a person must do two things.

  1. Make a reservation ahead of time.
  2. Wear nice clothes

You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that what is advertised is true. Would you be interested?


Now, let’s talk about heaven. It’s been advertised to be a pretty good place. Lots of positives, no negatives.


What if there were only two things that you needed to do to get in:

  1. Have a true desire to be nice to other people. (including on RF)
  2. Have a true desire to try not to be mean to other people.

What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
Depends. Did the owner of this restaurant have his son tortured to (sorta) death?
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I’m going to utilize an analogy here.

You live in a town where there is a very special restaurant.

Suppose this restaurant advertises that it has the absolute best food ever tasted.

Suppose it’s ads claim that it’s all free of charge.

Suppose it claims to have the finest first class service.

But,

To get in, a person must do two things.

  1. Make a reservation ahead of time.
  2. Wear nice clothes

You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that what is advertised is true. Would you be interested?


Now, let’s talk about heaven. It’s been advertised to be a pretty good place. Lots of positives, no negatives.


What if there were only two things that you needed to do to get in:

  1. Have a true desire to be nice to other people. (including on RF)
  2. Have a true desire to try not to be mean to other people.

What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
Very poor analogy. The restaurant in your little frame-up is obviously known to exist. In other words, you didn't set it up with the same parameters. With heaven, you have absolutely no manifestation that demonstrates its existence. None. In the case of the restaurant, all you said was that one doesn't know anyone who has gone, and so can't establish the truth of the advertising claims.

To make it equivalent, you would have had to state that there is absolutely NO proper evidence that the restaurant even exists. You can't find it on maps. You can't be told directions to it by anyone. You can't ask a driver to take you there. The ads suspiciously do not contain the address. Every time you are told about the restaurant by someone who claims it exists, the details are slightly different.

And in THAT case - the one more equivalent to the idea of heaven - the answer is NO. NO I would NOT be interested. I would have to conclude that the owners don't even want me to come, or they are completely inept at advertising, or that it is some kind of a trap or a trick. Seriously. That's where I would be at.

Also, as an aside: why is it that theists SO OFTEN produce analogies that ignore large holes or differences from the actual case they are arguing for?
 
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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I’m going to utilize an analogy here.

You live in a town where there is a very special restaurant.

Suppose this restaurant advertises that it has the absolute best food ever tasted.

Suppose it’s ads claim that it’s all free of charge.

Suppose it claims to have the finest first class service.

But,

To get in, a person must do two things.

  1. Make a reservation ahead of time.
  2. Wear nice clothes

You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that what is advertised is true. Would you be interested?


Now, let’s talk about heaven. It’s been advertised to be a pretty good place. Lots of positives, no negatives.


What if there were only two things that you needed to do to get in:

  1. Have a true desire to be nice to other people. (including on RF)
  2. Have a true desire to try not to be mean to other people.

What if that’s ABSOLUTELY ALL it took? You have never spoken with anyone who has gone, so you have no proof that was is advertised is true. Would you be interested?
Absolutely.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Wot.....no hot pot?? :(

The restaurant i am talking about does a beef stew using ribeye steak braised in red monbazillac for 8 hours. With seasonal veg thrown in for the last hour or so. Will that do?
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not for many people who prefer to make the most of the life they have got rather than investing in the unknown and unknowable.
I have no beef with people wanting to be good on their own. I still try to tell people though that I think belief in God or Heaven would help.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
You're thinking of "Defending Your Life" but the "theology" was different.
Hmmn....You're right about the title. Thanks. I couldn't remember.

However, the theology described and the plot of the movie sure seemed the same....Ah, well.
 
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