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Are All Religious Labels Detrimental to Progress?

Do you understand how religious labels detriment progress?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • No

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • Other...?

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Total voters
    19

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
To me, labels are meh, pretty trivial, and petty ... not all that hard to look past a label at the person/soul.
The idea you've been completely unfair to me on here to the point of bullying; as you refuse to acknowledge the statements I've made, whilst pinning some incorrect religious label onto me, and not even replying to corrections...

Thus please don't pretend, we can literally show you've been doing the exact opposite, to the point of bullying people most of the time.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
And just what do you mean when you say Source & consciousness are everything?
Our reality exists in a quantum soup; that quantum soup is all consciousness.

Before the creation of the Matrix there was no form; the Source creates the Matrix, which then means we have a reality to exist within.

It would be like saying everything is the computer; when the hard drive is on with data running through it (Code = Consciousness), the CPU can process it (Source).

All labels can be removed: a quantum computer is a metaphor of our reality; though it is much more complex, Code = Word = Logic, etc.

Labels are expressions of placeholders for data; yet when the data no longer has meaning, what is the point in labels.

Religions have become devoid of their original meanings: which is understanding that the Source of our reality makes everything.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion. :innocent:

People like their labels. My job is to let go of mine, not to get other to let go of theirs.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Weighted question. You asked not "Do you believe religious labels hinder progress?" but "Do you understand that religious labels hinder progress?"

On of these is a question of opinion. The other is basically polling whether people "get" what you think is completely obvious and self-explanatory (I answered no, btw).

Religious labels keep a person's religious identity intact. This is important, because otherwise as a person who doesn't announce themselves as Zen Buddhist for instance, they pick up all kinds of strange ideas, from Islam, African Folk Religion, from New Age groups, and slowly lose who they are as Zen Buddhists.

Progress for its own sake is not moral virtue. It's just progress. You could "progress" from one of the leading countries to a third-world nation without running water.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Well, I just want to beg people to call my Church the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and then the LDS Church and not call us Mormon.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

No, humanity has not evolved past labels. The "chosen" people think they are chosen by God to be monarchs over everyone else with a label. The superstition of elite privilege is not going to go away anytime soon. The people in power culture inequality out of fear of losing their privilege.

If you want Oneness, then do not try to change the World. See everything as perfect just the way it is. Complaining about labels is just another meaningless judgment of God's creation. The way to get what you want is to want what you have.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Well, I just want to beg people to call my Church the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and then the LDS Church and not call us Mormon.
Sometimes you're stuck with it. Time will tell on this one. But a high school kid complaining about his nickname will most surely have it for at least the rest of high school. Part of the challenge will be that the new name is too long, and a few people (non-LDS) won't know what you're talking about. Hinduism's more formal name is Sanatana Dharma, but for simplicity and familiarity, most of us accept Hinduism. I personally will try to honour your request.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
Things like faith and knowledge belong together like individual puzzle pieces, only when put together do they creates oneness, a pretty picture of nature.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Clearly for someone to say Oneness isn't the ultimate goal of religions, is that someone could not actually understand what Oneness means. :eek:

If others do not understand what this "Oneness" isn't that an indicator that "Oneness" isn't the "ultimate goal of religions?" Differences in understanding suggest differences in goals and values among peoples and their cultures (of which religion is a component of). Alleging religions have some "ultimate goal" is questionable as well if not demonstrably false. Some religions talk about "ultimate goals" but others do not, and those that do speak of different things than you do.

Oneness is the reasons we do most things in society, we have a place people congregate for a sense of Oneness between humanity.

Literally people seek Oneness in most things they do, it is a sense of belonging, and collectivity we all seek between us.

This is just one interpretation of the story, though. An evolutionary biologist would point to survival needs as the reason we do most things in society. A determinist would point to fate and lack of free will as the reason we do most things in society (aka, we have no choice but to do what we do because fate). There's nothing that makes your story more correct than any other story told about these things. And when religions definitely differ in the narratives they tell here, it really doesn't make sense to me to allege that all religions somehow have the same "ultimate goal." It sounds like willfully ignoring real differences between people and their cultures.

Since I find this answer so opposite to human psychology, as we all seek Oneness in some way; can you please explain why do you not like Oneness or why you have things against other religions?

It's not really about me liking or not liking "Oneness" or having things "for" or "against" other religions. It's about me recognizing and respecting that different people have different cultural narratives and different core values (see above).
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Clearly for someone to say Oneness isn't the ultimate goal of religions, is that someone could not actually understand what Oneness means. :eek:

Oneness is the reasons we do most things in society, we have a place people congregate for a sense of Oneness between humanity.

Literally people seek Oneness in most things they do, it is a sense of belonging, and collectivity we all seek between us.

Since I find this answer so opposite to human psychology, as we all seek Oneness in some way; can you please explain why do you not like Oneness or why you have things against other religions?

As someone who studies all religions in each cultural narrative, and has no religious labels as I accept all of them; your answer can only sound bias towards many religions. :oops:

If we studied the religions we will see they all talk about a collective unity found between us, from us all following similar concepts, and what I'm saying in this thread is that we should go beyond labels of only reading individual books, to instead reading all of them as One humanity between us.

In my opinion. :innocent:
In my opinion, Oneness is weak in the discernment department. ;) Your mileage may vary.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Some religions talk about "ultimate goals" but others do not, and those that do speak of different things than you do.
There isn't a 'you' in Oneness, it is a dictionary reference... Oneness means people are a collective; religion is about a collective idea, we can not have a religion unless it is a form of Oneness.

the fact or state of being unified or whole, though comprised of two or more parts.
  • the state of being in harmony with someone or something.
the fact or state of being one in number.
If others do not understand what this "Oneness" isn't that an indicator that "Oneness" isn't the "ultimate goal of religions?"
There isn't any doctrine in Oneness, it is not some religious belief; it is a word that exist in many religions, and summarizes what religion is about.
that all religions somehow have the same "ultimate goal."
All religions in some way unify people in a Oneness between them.

If the goal is not to unite people, and religion is about dividing people, by definition this isn't a religion; as ultimately a religion means a group of people with a common fundamental belief.
It's not really about me liking or not liking "Oneness" or having things "for" or "against" other religions. It's about me recognizing and respecting that different people have different cultural narratives and different core values (see above).
Actually considering you've made up your own religious value of Oneness, and then have applied that to debate is the issue.

I'm a theologian of all religion, I don't have any labels, it is you with a label; defining you don't even understand how religion is a group of people who seek a form of Oneness between them, by their choice of a mutual interaction, as somewhere you've got an illogical disposition towards the word Oneness. :confused:

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Oneness is weak in the discernment department.
If Oneness is the name for Heaven in my near Death, it is a word used in many of the world's religions as the highest pinnacle of understanding, to have Oneness with the Source of reality, and then to say that is weak, undermines many of the world's religions - so it all depends on a person's perception of reality.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
If you want Oneness, then do not try to change the World.
Oneness in terms of peace on earth, and global unity among the people of God, is installed by force at Judgement Day, when Betelgeuse will soon scorch earth (Isaiah 13:10, Amos 5:8, Zechariah 14:7); after it will be a different world.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Religious labels keep a person's religious identity intact.

and slowly lose who they are as Zen Buddhists.
A Buddhist has no ID, as it is identification with self.

Zen has no labels, as none can point at it.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Oneness in terms of peace on earth, and global unity among the people of God, is installed by force at Judgement Day, when Betelgeuse will soon scorch earth (Isaiah 13:10, Amos 5:8, Zechariah 14:7); after it will be a different world.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
Your use of the word "oneness" has rendered the term all but useless.
You are all over the map with it.
Yet your only connection with all of it it to call it "oneness".
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
No human today can with common sense, disregard the journey that we have lived as a humanity.

And our humanity is meant to learn and apply learning, which in humanity is to first recognize, that information was first used and applied and it was proven wrong.

For it was the supportive history, civilization, male choice and science and then what science caused, forced living spiritual changes to our Planet and our Nature.

So today we all are still learning and give learning applied details by our suffering.

Which is the common spiritual aware teaching of all of us...without any other label.

For if you use natural terms, first were are all humans.

Now if a human has to contest being special...then allow them to contest it, yet spiritual humanity who use the term Healer or medical scientist said to everyone, that science proved that human DNA/genetics owned 2 original human parents.

Not 2 original land owner parents or special land, that life owned the same human DNA first.

And today we are all diverse, but are as diverse in our species as an animal is.

If a human is being realistic spiritually the diversity in the animal Kingdom as a balanced and needed supportive human reckoning would tell anyone, share diversity, live with diversity, love diversity, reverence diversity and share in the wonder of its experiences in our human life.

And then you would all love and honour each other as supposed spiritual humans teach about the Nature before us, diverse as it is.

Without claiming one specific body is more important than another, when if we did not own diversity we could not tell our human story.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion. :innocent:


Define "progress"
In my profile below is the "progress" our progressive" society is making.
Speaks for itself.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Labels are very helpful. They tell me what vegetables are in the can.
Religious labelling doesn't always supply the right contents, I keep looking for Figs or Grapes, and yet we keep biting into Nuts, and Blackberries with plenty of thorns still.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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