Are All Religious Labels Detrimental to Progress?

wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion.

PoetPhilosopher · Jan 8, 2020

LuisDantas · Jan 8, 2020

Labels are a tool much like any other. They may be abused, and they may be enlightening.

Care and wisdom are good qualities to use with them.

crossfire · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

"Deleted" in the Name of Oneness?

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

How is this any different from being "deleted" in the Name of Oneness?

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

I respectfully disagree.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion.

Disagree. We are all unique individuals, and that uniqueness deserves to be celebrated. The fact that we can retain our individuality, individual names, labels, and thoughts, and still get along is a true source of wonder!

Spirit of Light · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion.

I think i understand where you want this to go Wizanda

I think your intention is good.
But human beings are not oneness yet. They are divided in groups of race, ethnic or cultural, politics and party. So they also need different ways of understanding the religious aspect of life, so in my understanding this is why so many different religions have been created. to give answer to everyone. But in different ways. They do teach more or less the same. but in different words.

In my understanding, the oneness you speak about can only be achieved by going above the level of the physical realm and human being. But the common man on the street does not see it this way anymore, due to the fact that many people have become so grounded to this physical realm, they do no longer see the spiritual realm that is just in front of them. It's like Humankind has been shut out of truth.
They are more concerned with physical objects and belongings then about how to become spiritual beings again.

So even I do now understand what your goal has been. I don't think there will be many who agree with you.

wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

KAT-KAT said:
No.

Which bit is that a "no" to?

That doesn't relay any additional explanation sorry; which is why added a poll for answers like it.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

crossfire said:
"Deleted" in the Name of Oneness?

We're down near Hell, and if people are so argumentative against uniting under one religious understanding, where they would cause a global war because of divisions, this type of people are clearly detrimental to cosmic unity, so reality doesn't need them.

What some people are not realizing is we're in a simulated game together, and some people literally are to be kicked out of the game (Judgement Day)...

This is stated as they do not wish to play the game of spiritual enlightenment as the simulation was meant for; if people are warmongers & wealthy who seek divisions as the religious texts stated, by their very nature down near Hell they are demonic, and thus are prophesied to be removed.

crossfire said:
We are all unique individuals, and that uniqueness deserves to be celebrated.

No one has stated not to be individuals, and this response clearly isn't logical, as it is the exact opposite to what is being stated... It appears you think Oneness is like a religious label.

Only by studying all the individual view points, can we even come close to understanding what Oneness is; Oneness isn't a division of any religious text it is the literal name of Heaven, the Source of our reality.

Everything and everyone is a part of Oneness, nothing is divided; thus that mentality to divide labels into parts, is what is being stated as the problem in religious divisions in the world.

All religions speak of Oneness as the ultimate goal; so it isn't some separation, it is ultimate unification of everyone, and everything.

Basically it is what the Greeks called Logic, that everything is all One, and mathematical.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

Amanaki said:
In my understanding, the oneness you speak about can only be achieved by going above the level of the physical realm and human being.

Oneness as people can be achieved in many different ways, it only needs a single focal point we all agree on.

In the party scene many people through entheogens have found a unity, and Oneness beyond what is felt in any religious congregation, as the ego bubble is dissolved.

Religious dogmatic policy among people leads to divisions; archaic laws that don't do their purpose mean we argue over them.

Only through the fluidity of consciousness not becoming static, can we as people become One, and this has been achieved by humans in the past who took entheogens i.e. Mu, Atlanteans, Bon, Egyptians, Hindu, Greeks, Zoroastrian, Israelites.

Now in modern times people are confused that all religion started through shamanic psychedelic use, which then allows for direct connection to Oneness (Heaven - Nirvana) here on earth.
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What we need to take into account, is the brain without additional foods that help it create new neural pathways starts to die, and loose neural path ways; certain plants are needed to regulate the brains neurochemistry.

Giving a brain alcohol, coffee, meat, and fluoride, makes people become less empathic, and more illogically erratic in their thought processes; whereas being vegan, no alcohol, and entheogens help increase neuro capacity, so then people are smarter, more empathic, and much more logical.

In my opinion.

Spirit of Light · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
Oneness as people can be achieved in many different ways, it only needs a single focal point we all agree on.

In the party scene many people through entheogens have found a unity, and Oneness beyond what is felt in any religious congregation, as the ego bubble is dissolved.

Religious dogmatic policy among people leads to divisions; archaic laws that don't do their purpose mean we argue over them.

Only through the fluidity of consciousness not becoming static, can we as people become One, and this has been achieved by humans in the past who took entheogens i.e. Mu, Atlanteans, Bon, Egyptians, Hindu, Greeks, Zoroastrian, Israelites.

Now in modern times people are confused that all religion started through shamanic psychedelic use, which then allows for direct connection to Oneness (Heaven - Nirvana) here on earth.
[GALLERY=media, 8861][/GALLERY]
What we need to take into account, is the brain without additional foods that help it create new neural pathways starts to die, and loose neural path ways; certain plants are needed to regulate the brains neurochemistry.

Giving a brain alcohol, coffee, meat, and fluoride, makes people become less empathic, and more illogically erratic in their thought processes; whereas being vegan, no alcohol, and entheogens help increase neuro capacity, so then people are smarter, more empathic, and much more logical.

In my opinion.

On this we agree 100% @wizanda

A Vestigial Mote · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
After coming into religious environments where people are separated like cattle, and then fight each other like animals; I already removed all labels from our own system, and replaced it with an understanding of Oneness.

Yet even Oneness people argue with us about, due to misunderstandings of it being a label; like humans fight what they don't understand.

Hasn't humanity evolved past labels to concepts, and topics or are people so spiritually immature, that they now see gang mentality as something that the Source of reality credits; as far as I know it is the exact opposite, and here is down near the lowest dimension.

After years of religious people arguing against their own texts, I now see all individual religions as a type of cult mentality, and all faction based religious people as illogical by definition; only someone who studies all religion shows they are worthy of the Age to Come, everyone else shall be deleted at Judgement Day according to the texts globally.

Since we can show religious people are willing to keep their labels to the point of starting wars, murdering people, following things immoral as it is all in the same book; we can understand why the religious texts prophesied the removal of breakaway religious factions in this world.

Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Thus enlightenment has no labels; no religious author said "Hey, here is a badge, wear it, you will get into Heaven for free".

Enlightenment can only come from dynamic lateral thinking, linear pathway learning doesn't allow for new growth; thus by definition every religious sect label, creates a dumbing down in that direction.

So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

For those who want peace in the world, isn't it logical to remove our religious labels, and realize we're all One; for those who don't, the Source of reality will soon remove determined to be separatist religious people at a quantum level, when the Fire comes from Betelgeuse, according to religious texts globally as One.

In my opinion.

There are a lot of things we don't agree on, @wizanda, but I do feel that the mindset that desires to use labels on oneself, beyond just a simple need to be able to impart information more quickly, is detrimental. People do too often want to segment themselves off, and once in their bubbles, they can start working up to the point that they view outsiders as "wrong" or "bad." And that could even be something as simple and inane as people who don't like the same recreational activity that they do.

So yes, I agree that labels can be detrimental things. I see them as fairly innocuous if one is simply wanting to relay information quickly. But once it becomes "religious" to a person (meaning, in short terms, they start trying to define themselves by it) then I see it as unhealthy. "I" am not the sum of my Earthly dealings. None of us are. Identifying too heavily with your consciousness' wants and desires, pretending you "are" your personality, thoughts and memories - it's a sham, and leads to all sorts of self-centered foolishness.

dybmh · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
So why do people wear labels, and isn't it about time to give them up for the development of learning to be one family religiously in this world?

I can only speak about my own life experience...

Labels are useful for managing projection and expectation. False projections and unmet expectations are frustrating for people. People like predictability. If I am easily identified as "other" then people are less likely to project false assumptions on me and become frustrated when their own expectations of me are not met. This is because when I don't meet peoples expectations, it's unpredictable, and that is uncomfortable.

On the other hand, if I don't fit the stereotype that is carried with the label, then inevitably, when I don't meet or exceed the expected stereotype of "otherness" or "sameness" ( depending on the circumstance ), that's a problem too.

So it's all about projection and expectation. If the label accurately describes me perfectly, then I will adopt it and use it. But if I don't fit the stereotype, then I think the label is causing more harm than good.

( and that's why I don't list my religious affiliation here on RF )

Quintessence · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
All religions speak of Oneness as the ultimate goal...

No, they don't.

The major problem I have with perennialism and similar ideas is that it downplays, ignores, and overlooks the very real and significant differences between people and their cultures. Worse, the process of downplaying these very real differences disrespects other cultures by rewriting their narratives with their own. This sort of cultural erasure is how cultural genocide happens.

A Vestigial Mote · Jan 8, 2020

Quintessence said:
No, they don't.

The major problem I have with perennialism and similar ideas is that it downplays, ignores, and overlooks the very real and significant differences between people and their cultures. Worse, the process of downplaying these very real differences disrespects other cultures by rewriting their narratives with their own. This sort of cultural erasure is how cultural genocide happens.

People should obviously be allowed cultural differences, their languages, etc. What I would call for is that people put far less importance on them. In my opinion, something like "culture" is not nearly as important as how you treat your fellow man. So, if your "culture" is getting in the way of your ability to treat your fellow man cordially, then the way you view your "culture" is a problem. You can have it all you want - just don't pretend it is some badge of honor. No one should care what your culture is. People who prize one particular culture (or their own) over another have already bred a potential problem in their minds.

crossfire · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
All religions speak of Oneness as the ultimate goal; so it isn't some separation, it is ultimate unification of everyone, and everything.

Not true. This is what Western Left Hand Path religions would call Right Hand Path. There are some downright anticosmic religions, as well. For some religions, being able to resist oneness/groupthink/maara and be able to think for oneself is a major goal--to become sovereign over ones own self.

sun rise · Jan 8, 2020

I voted 'other' because to me the label is not the issue. It's the ego asserting that the label it identifies with is superior to all the other ones.

And further when it makes that sense of superiority a "deadly serious" (apt expression) matter.

Ideally we can say that we prefer a particular label because we find it most congenial and at the same time know, as Rumi said, "There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground."

wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

Quintessence said:
No, they don't.

Clearly for someone to say Oneness isn't the ultimate goal of religions, is that someone could not actually understand what Oneness means.

Oneness is the reasons we do most things in society, we have a place people congregate for a sense of Oneness between humanity.

Literally people seek Oneness in most things they do, it is a sense of belonging, and collectivity we all seek between us.

Quintessence said:
The major problem I have with perennialism and similar ideas is that it downplays, ignores, and overlooks the very real and significant differences between people and their cultures. Worse, the process of downplaying these very real differences disrespects other cultures by rewriting their narratives with their own. This sort of cultural erasure is how cultural genocide happens.

Since I find this answer so opposite to human psychology, as we all seek Oneness in some way; can you please explain why do you not like Oneness or why you have things against other religions?

As someone who studies all religions in each cultural narrative, and has no religious labels as I accept all of them; your answer can only sound bias towards many religions.

If we studied the religions we will see they all talk about a collective unity found between us, from us all following similar concepts, and what I'm saying in this thread is that we should go beyond labels of only reading individual books, to instead reading all of them as One humanity between us.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

crossfire said:
Not true. This is what Western Left Hand Path religions would call Right Hand Path. There are some downright anticosmic religions, as well. For some religions, being able to resist oneness/groupthink/maara and be able to think for oneself is a major goal--to become sovereign over ones own self.

Oneness means a collective unity between us, all religion is because of this, and even Oneness between Source is still collective unity...

Our reality exists because of Oneness at a quantum level, the idea of saying the opposite of Oneness does not exist.

There is no way to avoid Oneness as the ultimate goal, ultimately we're all part of Oneness of everything; it is physically impossible to exist, and not be a part of Oneness.

In my opinion.

Skwim · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
Atheism, Agnosticism, etc, are still labels that still detriment progress in religious evolution, because things like Source & consciousness are very hard to label, as they are everything.

Aside from the fact that "detriment" is a noun, not a verb, I'm curious as to how these particular labels relate to labeling Source & consciousness. Care to clarify? And just what do you mean when you say Source & consciousness are everything?

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wizanda · Jan 8, 2020

sun rise said:
And further when it makes that sense of superiority a "deadly serious" (apt expression) matter.

My statements are deadly serious not because of a label, just because I'm sent to warn mankind before its end; I now have no religious label, Oneness is not a label, it is a definition.

There is no superiority in explaining mankind is soon over, it has more felt like inferiority for years; of feeling persecuted for sharing info for everyone's benefit, whilst being attacked down near Hell before Judgement Day.

Thankfully due to all the evidence in the world's religious texts, it makes it real how deadly it is, and why we should take it all very seriously, if we want to survive.

In my opinion.

TransmutingSoul · Jan 8, 2020

wizanda said:
Oneness as people can be achieved in many different ways, it only needs a single focal point we all agree on.

Amanaki said:
On this we agree 100% @wizanda

It appears Wizanda, is embracing what Baha'u'llah did offer.

Regards Tony

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