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Is this logical?

ecco

Veteran Member
No it is not just my opinion, it is something that I know is true, but I have to put that there because otherwise I could get dinged for proselytizing, and then you'd never see me again.

Are you really going to cop out of answering questions using the excuse that the forum frowns on proselytizing? Are you really going to do that and then post a long quote from Gleanings?
<snip>....of the substance of God Himself.” Gleanings, p. 66

Do you think you are fooling anyone? You're not.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Do you mean those 100 dollar questions you cannot answer, like this one?
How do you think you can ever know God’s system or God’s actions? That is the 100-dollar question.

Apparently, you think you can know these things by "looking around" in the world, but the world reflects man's system and man's actions, not God's. God is not directly involved in this world.

Unless you can prove what you are saying is true, all you have are Beliefs.
I have Beliefs, you have Beliefs, we just have different beliefs. My Beliefs are based upon what a Manifestation of God has revealed, your Beliefs are based upon what you believe.


Your quote:How do you think you can ever know God’s system or God’s actions? That is the 100-dollar question.
MY ANSWER: If I parked a car at your house and said: Can you figure out how this car works and can you tell me anything about it's creator, could you figure anything out at all?

This world is that car. It's creator is God. It all reflects God just as your actions and choices reflect you.

Your quote:Unless you can prove what you are saying is true, all you have are Beliefs.
MY ANSWER: Burden of proof rests on the person who Seeks the knowledge. If you do not Seek, you are not even looking for proof. Do you Seek? I do not see it. You are satisfied with mere beliefs.

I have pointed you in a direction by which you can Discover the Real Truth. Your actions and choices show me the Real Truth about you. Can you really be that lost as to not understand?

AS for myself, I have my proof. God is no longer a Belief to me. I Know God exists. Still my journey continues. This hungry student knows there is so much more God can teach me. God places knowledge and lessons around us all. It waits to be Discovered.

An action or choice of God is that knowledge must be Discovered. It is not served up on a silver platter to be accepted or rejected as mere beliefs.

God might have stopped by to confirm much of what I have Discovered, however God does not change. I still must work at Discovery even now. There is so much to Discover in every field. It all reflects God. AS I open ever more and more doors, the Genius behind everything shows itself.

I could never live in Beliefs. Reality is so much better. It is a Masterpiece.

Well, that's what I see. It's very clear.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Are you really going to cop out of answering questions using the excuse that the forum frowns on proselytizing? Are you really going to do that and then post a long quote from Gleanings?
Where have you seen a long post from Gleanings lately? I stopped posting those now that I have been duly informed they consider that a Rule 8 infraction.. You haven't noticed, no colors or fancy type either? o_O
Do you think you are fooling anyone? You're not.
Do you think I am trying to? I could not care less what other people believe because I am not trying to convince anyone of it. I just answer posts.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
@ Bird123

My quote: How do you think you can ever know God’s system or God’s actions? That is the 100-dollar question.

YOUR ANSWER: If I parked a car at your house and said: Can you figure out how this car works and can you tell me anything about it's creator, could you figure anything out at all?

This world is that car. It's creator is God. It all reflects God just as your actions and choices reflect you.

I respectfully disagree with you. Humans CAN reflect the attributes if God if they are spiritual, and all created things in nature reflect God, but what happens in the world does not reflect God's actions, it reflects human actions, because God does not act in this world.

My quote: Unless you can prove what you are saying is true, all you have are Beliefs.

YOUR ANSWER: Burden of proof rests on the person who Seeks the knowledge. If you do not Seek, you are not even looking for proof. Do you Seek? I do not see it. You are satisfied with mere beliefs.

You have beliefs about God, not knowledge of God. If you had knowledge you could explain how you got it.

I do not pretend to have proof that my beliefs are true, I cannot prove are true to anyone except myself. I believe that I have knowledge of God through Baha'u'llah.

How would you know if I Seek? Why do you think I am on this forum so much? I am seeking Truth. Just because I have my own religion does not mean I cannot learn form other people.


I have pointed you in a direction by which you can Discover the Real Truth. Your actions and choices show me the Real Truth about you. Can you really be that lost as to not understand?

How do you think you know you have the Real Truth? I have asked you and you still have no answered me. You should not make assertions unless you can support them.

AS for myself, I have my proof. God is no longer a Belief to me. I Know God exists. Still my journey continues.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I do not just believe God exists, I know God exists, but still the journey continues and it will continue for the rest of my life and in the afterlife, forever. That is a Baha'i teaching.
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This hungry student knows there is so much more God can teach me. God places knowledge and lessons around us all. It waits to be Discovered.

I never disagreed that we learn lessons by living in the material world. That is why we are here, to learn and grow spiritually.


An action or choice of God is that knowledge must be Discovered. It is not served up on a silver platter to be accepted or rejected as mere beliefs.

I disagree because I believe that the knowledge of God is revealed in scriptures. Anything else we might think God is is pure imagination, Imo.


God might have stopped by to confirm much of what I have Discovered, however God does not change. I still must work at Discovery even now. There is so much to Discover in every field. It all reflects God. AS I open ever more and more doors, the Genius behind everything shows itself.

I do not disagree with that, although i do not believe that God ever stops by.


I could never live in Beliefs. Reality is so much better. It is a Masterpiece.

I do not live in Beliefs, I live in Reality. As far as I am concerned my beliefs explain Reality, as God has revealed it through Baha'u'llah.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
No, it is logical, because either (a) Baha'u'llah was who He claimed to be, a Manifestation of God, or He was (b) a false prophet. It has to be either (a) or (b). If He was who He claimed to be then everything He claimed about Himself is the truth because Manifestations of God are infallible.
Yeah. Under Option #b he was delusional or a con man just like Muhammed and Joseph Smith and David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Would it really make any difference if I posted fulfilled prophecies? I doubt it. You would find a reason to say they were not fulfilled. If you want to read about all the fulfilled prophecies and HOW they were fulfilled, you have to read
Thief in the Night by William Sears.

I cannot post all of those fulfilled prophecies on this forum. There are too many.
I never asked anyone to post all prophecies. I asked for one really good prophecy. Take your best shot.

But you are right about me finding reasons to say they are not fulfilled prophecies. Of all of the "prophecies" that Bahais and members of other religions have posted, none meet the standard for accurate, precise, prophecies that have been actually fulfilled. All the postings to date are no better than the gibberish of Nostradamus ...
The great man will be struck down in the day by a thunderbolt,
An evil deed foretold by the bearer of a petition.
According to the prediction, another falls at night time.
Conflict at Reims, London and a pestilence in Tuscany.

 

ecco

Veteran Member
Yes, that is what I am saying, but obviously some scripture is more reliable than other scripture, if it was written by the actual Manifestation of God.

So far, the only "actual Manifestation of God" you admit to is your Baluluah. Since Baluluah didn't write any of the OT or NT, you don't believe any of the OT or the NT - Right?




For (hopefully) the last time, this summarizes the official Baha'i position on the Bible.

From letters written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice:

In studying the Bible Bahá'ís must bear two principles in mind. The first is that many passages in Sacred Scriptures are intended to be taken metaphorically, not literally, and some of the paradoxes and apparent contradictions which appear are intended to indicate this. The second is the fact that the text of the early Scriptures, such as the Bible, is not wholly authentic.
(28 May 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bible


I thought you were afraid of being sanctioned for prosthelytizing. You just showed, once again, that your comments about prosthelytizing were just an excuse to avoid addressing my questions.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I cannot say what other followers assert, but I never asserted that because it is obvious to me that evidence is necessary to verify that the claims are true. Anyone can claim anything, but that does not make it true. :rolleyes:
I cannot keep up with your constant changes. It's Futile. G'bye
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yeah. Under Option #b he was delusional or a con man just like Muhammed and Joseph Smith and David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite.
I think it wise to check and recheck the facts about those claiming to be the return of Christ. I get the feeling that some of them might not really be Christ. From Wiki:
This is a partial list of notable people who have been claimed, either by themselves or by their followers, in some way to be the reincarnation or incarnation of Jesus, or the Second Coming of Christ.
19th century
  • John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish tax rebel who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1834. He was killed by British soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood, on 31 May 1838 in Kent, England.[3]
  • Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; he claimed the spirit of Jesus Christ entered into his body and he became "Potter Christ" Son of the living God. He died in an attempt to "ascend into heaven" by jumping off a cliff. His body was later retrieved and buried by his followers.[4]
  • Jones Very (1813–1880), American essayist, poet, literary scholar, and Greek tutor at Harvard who befriended several prominent American Transcendentalists and suffered a nervous breakdown in 1837 after which he claimed to have become the Second Coming of Jesus.
  • Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1892), born Shiite, adopted Bábism later in 1844,[5] he claimed to be the prophesied fulfillment and Promised One of major religions including Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. He founded the Bahá'í Faith in 1863.[6] Followers of the Bahá'í Faith believe that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the second coming of Jesus, as well as the prophecies of the 5th Buddha Maitreya and many other religious prophecies, were begun by the Báb in 1844 and then by Bahá'u'lláh. They commonly compare the fulfillment of Christian prophecies to Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, where in both cases people were expecting the literal fulfillment of apocalyptic statements.[7]
  • William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.[8][9] When Davies's second son, David, was born in 1869, he was declared to be God the Father.[8]
  • Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India (1835–1908), claimed to be the awaited Mahdi as well as (Second Coming) and likeness of Jesus, the promised Messiah at the end of time. He claimed to be Jesus in the metaphorical sense; in character. He founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1889, envisioning it to be the rejuvenation of Islam, and claimed to be commissioned by God for the reformation of mankind.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yeah. Under Option #b he was delusional or a con man just like Muhammed and Joseph Smith and David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite.
Continued...
20th century
  • John Hugh Smyth-Pigott (1852–1927). Around 1890 Smyth-Pigott started leading meetings of the Agapemonite community and recruited 50 young female followers to supplement its aging population. He took Ruth Anne Preece as his second wife and she had three children named Glory, Power and Hallelujah.[10] By 1902 his fame had spread as far as India, from where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad warned him of his false teachings and predicted his miserable end. The house which may have belonged to Smyth-Pigott in St John's Wood was visited by John Betjeman in his film Metro-Land. It is built in the neo-gothic style. It is currently the home of the television presenter Vanessa Feltz and was previously the home of Charles Saatchi.[11] Smyth-Pigott died in 1927 and the sect gradually declined until the last member, sister Ruth, died in 1956.[12] Her funeral in 1956 was the only time when outsiders were admitted to the chapel.[13]




  • Krishna Venta (1911–1958), born Francis Herman Pencovic in San Francisco, founded the WKFL (Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love) Fountain of the World cult in Simi Valley, California in the late 1940s. In 1948 he stated that he was Christ, the new messiah and claimed to have led a convoy of rocket ships to Earth from the extinct planet Neophrates. He died on 10 December 1958 after being suicide bombed by two disgruntled former followers who accused Venta of mishandling cult funds and having been intimate with their wives.
  • Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), a South Korean who founded the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964, who recognize him as the Second Coming of Jesus. The World Mission Society Church of God teach that Zahng Gil-jah is "God the Mother", who they explain is referred to in the Bible as the New Jerusalem Mother (Galatians 4:26), and that Ahn Sahng-Hong is God the Father.[17]
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yeah. Under Option #b he was delusional or a con man just like Muhammed and Joseph Smith and David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite.
Still continued...
Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), believed by members of the Unification Church to be the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission. Church members ("Unificationists") consider Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, to be the True Parents of humankind as the restored Adam and Eve.[18][19]
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yeah. Under Option #b he was delusional or a con man just like Muhammed and Joseph Smith and David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite.
And there's still more...

  • Sergey Torop (1961–), a Russian who claims to be "reborn" as Vissarion, Jesus Christ returned, which makes him not "God" but the "Word of God". Also known as "Jesus of Siberia," Torop has an appearance similar to depictions of Jesus. He dresses in all white flowing robes and has long brown hair and a beard. Before claiming to be the Vissarion, Torop worked as a traffic policeman until he was fired in 1990. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia in 1990. The Church of the Last Testament has been described as being a mixture of beliefs from the Russian Orthodox Church, Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and with ecological values. The church currently resides on the largest religious reservation in the world in Siberian Taiga.[45][46]
  • Douglas Metcalf (1921–1968) Leader of the Full Gospel Mission aka Camp David aka The God Squad, a community-based in Waipara in North Canterbury New Zealand. Referred to by the group as Lord Jeheshua.[47]
  • Stuart Walker (born 1957) Leader of a group called "The Pod" in Mona Vale, Sydney, Australia. He also claimed to be Tutankhamun and various other deities. He also claimed to converse with whales. He was eventually imprisoned for drug offences.[48]
  • GG Allin (1956-1993) infamous punk rock singer-songwriter, and criminal.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yeah. Under Option #b he was delusional or a con man just like Muhammed and Joseph Smith and David Koresh and Marshall Applewhite.
One more group...
  • Apollo Quiboloy (1950–) is the founder and leader of a Philippines-based Restorationist church, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. He has made claims that he is the "Appointed Son of God".[49]
  • Hasan Mezarcı (1954–) is a former politician and member of parliament in the Republic of Turkey (1991-1995), was expelled from the Welfare Party and imprisoned for his extreme view against secularism. He claimed to be a prophet, the Messiah, and Jesus himself after his imprisonment.
  • Alan John Miller (1962–), more commonly known as A.J. Miller, a former Jehovah's Witness elder and current leader of the Australia-based Divine Truth movement.[50] Miller claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated with others in the 20th century to spread messages that he calls the "Divine Truth". He delivers these messages in seminars and various forms of media along with his current partner Mary Suzanne Luck, who identifies herself as the returned Mary Magdalene.[51]
  • David Shayler (1965–) is a former MI5 agent and whistleblower who, in the summer of 2007, proclaimed himself to be the Messiah. He has released a series of videos on YouTube claiming to be Jesus, although he has not built up any noticeable following since his claims.[52][53][54]
  • Maurice Clemmons (1972–2009), an American felon responsible for the 2009 murder of four police officers in Washington state, referred to himself in May 2009 as Jesus.[55]
  • Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez (1990–). In November 2011, he fired nine shots with a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic rifle at the White House in Washington D.C., believing himself to be Jesus Christ sent to kill U.S. President Barack Obama, whom he believed to be the antichrist.[56][57]
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
And each and every one of them totally believed it, as did their followers. Grandiose delusion, anyone? You forgot all the ones that didn't get famous enough to get on to wiki, probably at least another 10 000 or so, maybe more.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I never asked anyone to post all prophecies. I asked for one really good prophecy. Take your best shot.
Okay, you have asked me three times now, so I cannot see anyone could blame me for answering your questions. I will post one that “I consider good” because it eliminates all the pretenders to be the Messiah since none of them have fulfilled it. It also means that Jesus could not come claiming to be the Messiah unless He fulfilled all of this prophecy. That would be a real stretch. There are not even any Christians who claim that any of this would happen to Jesus; rather, they believe He will be coming down out of the sky in the clouds for all to see. Why then would Jesus go from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain after that?

The only reason that happened was because Baha’u’llah was banished and exiled from place to place. Why would that happen to Jesus if He came in all His glory and everyone recognized Him as the Messiah? One does have to use logic and reason if they want to uncover the truth. It does not just jump out at you but once you see the pattern of events and how they all fulfilled the OT prophecies all the pieces of the puzzle start to come together.

Micah 7:12 “In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.”

He shall come from Assyria: At that time Assyria was a large area. Baha’u’llah and His family lived in the part that was Persia, now Iran, in the city of Tihran.

and from the fortified cities: Baha’u’llah was banished from city to city: After being released from the Black Pit dungeon in Tihran in 1852, His family and companions had only a short time before being sent to the fortified city of Baghdad. While living in Baghdad, He gained such a large following that the enemies where shocked. Right away He was banished again, this time to the fortified city of Istanbul.

The Governor of the city refused many times to fulfill the orders that he received to banish Him again. Finally forced to follow orders, Baha’u’llah was banished again to the fortified city of Adrianople. He was honored and praised, and shown respect everywhere, until He was finally sent to the most horrific of all places, the fortress of Akka, where it was expected that He would succumb to the terrible conditions.

and from the fortress even to the river: It was while in Baghdad that the Tigris river became a special place, as Baha’u’llah crossed it to the Ridvan Garden. April 21, 1863 was the fulfilment of prophecy, as that was when Baha’u’llah declared to those around Him His Station as the Manifestation of God.

and from sea to sea: After His banishment in Baghdad, His exile was by way of the Black Sea. Still a prisoner He crossed the Black Sea from Sinope on His way to Constantinople. After the banishment in Adrianople, He crossed the Mediterranean Sea from Gallipolis in Turkey, embarking at Alexandria, Egypt, then on to the fortress of 'Akka, the most desolate of cities.

and from mountain to mountain: The time in Baghdad was turbulent with opposition. To protect His family and companions Baha’u’llah went to the Kurdistan mountains. There He lived in poverty, but the area was magnetized by His presence. After two years, He was persuaded to return to Baghdad.

The other mountain was in Israel, Mount Carmel, where He had docked before His final journey to Akka. Later He had a chance to return to Mount Carmel, to pitch His tent. Here He wrote the Tablet Of Carmel, surrounded by pilgrims looking for the return of Christ to descend from heaven. Mount Carmel is the headquarters of the Baha’i Faith. What we see there now is the fulfillment of the following prophecies:

Isaiah 35:1-2 “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.”

Micah 7:14 “Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel.”


From: William Sears, Thief in the Night
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
So far, the only "actual Manifestation of God" you admit to is your Baluluah. Since Baluluah didn't write any of the OT or NT, you don't believe any of the OT or the NT - Right?
No, that is not true at all. Here is the short list of Manifestations of God:
Abraham, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

There might be some others, but that would depends upon which Prophets are to be considered Universal Manifestations of God.
I thought you were afraid of being sanctioned for prosthelytizing. You just showed, once again, that your comments about prosthelytizing were just an excuse to avoid addressing my questions.
That could not be construed as proselytizing because I am not promoting the Baha’i Faith, I am just explaining how we view the Bible.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Joseph Smith was a seer
I think that the Angel Moroni told him where to find some golden plates. And he needed some special things to read them and translate what was written on the plates. And, those writings became the Book of Mormon, which tells of Jesus having been in North America? And Baha'is are okay with that? Or, just you?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Okay, you have asked me three times now, so I cannot see anyone could blame me for answering your questions. I will post one that “I consider good” because it eliminates all the pretenders to be the Messiah since none of them have fulfilled it. It also means that Jesus could not come claiming to be the Messiah unless He fulfilled all of this prophecy. That would be a real stretch. There are not even any Christians who claim that any of this would happen to Jesus; rather, they believe He will be coming down out of the sky in the clouds for all to see. Why then would Jesus go from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain after that?

The only reason that happened was because Baha’u’llah was banished and exiled from place to place. Why would that happen to Jesus if He came in all His glory and everyone recognized Him as the Messiah? One does have to use logic and reason if they want to uncover the truth. It does not just jump out at you but once you see the pattern of events and how they all fulfilled the OT prophecies all the pieces of the puzzle start to come together.

Micah 7:12 “In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.”

He shall come from Assyria: At that time Assyria was a large area. Baha’u’llah and His family lived in the part that was Persia, now Iran, in the city of Tihran.

and from the fortified cities: Baha’u’llah was banished from city to city: After being released from the Black Pit dungeon in Tihran in 1852, His family and companions had only a short time before being sent to the fortified city of Baghdad. While living in Baghdad, He gained such a large following that the enemies where shocked. Right away He was banished again, this time to the fortified city of Istanbul.

The Governor of the city refused many times to fulfill the orders that he received to banish Him again. Finally forced to follow orders, Baha’u’llah was banished again to the fortified city of Adrianople. He was honored and praised, and shown respect everywhere, until He was finally sent to the most horrific of all places, the fortress of Akka, where it was expected that He would succumb to the terrible conditions.

and from the fortress even to the river: It was while in Baghdad that the Tigris river became a special place, as Baha’u’llah crossed it to the Ridvan Garden. April 21, 1863 was the fulfilment of prophecy, as that was when Baha’u’llah declared to those around Him His Station as the Manifestation of God.

and from sea to sea: After His banishment in Baghdad, His exile was by way of the Black Sea. Still a prisoner He crossed the Black Sea from Sinope on His way to Constantinople. After the banishment in Adrianople, He crossed the Mediterranean Sea from Gallipolis in Turkey, embarking at Alexandria, Egypt, then on to the fortress of 'Akka, the most desolate of cities.

and from mountain to mountain: The time in Baghdad was turbulent with opposition. To protect His family and companions Baha’u’llah went to the Kurdistan mountains. There He lived in poverty, but the area was magnetized by His presence. After two years, He was persuaded to return to Baghdad.

The other mountain was in Israel, Mount Carmel, where He had docked before His final journey to Akka. Later He had a chance to return to Mount Carmel, to pitch His tent. Here He wrote the Tablet Of Carmel, surrounded by pilgrims looking for the return of Christ to descend from heaven. Mount Carmel is the headquarters of the Baha’i Faith. What we see there now is the fulfillment of the following prophecies:

Isaiah 35:1-2 “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.”

Micah 7:14 “Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel.”


From: William Sears, Thief in the Night
Here's part of Micah 7 from a Jewish Bible, not the Christian King James. Quite a few significant differences. "They" instead of "he" in verse 12. And Egypt being mentioned?
10 Then mine enemy shall see it, and shame shall cover her; who said unto me: Where is the LORD thy God? Mine eyes shall gaze upon her; now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets.'
11 'The day for building thy walls, even that day, shall be far removed.'
12 There shall be a day when they shall come unto thee, from Assyria even to the cities of Egypt, and from Egypt even to the River, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
י 13 And the land shall be desolate for them that dwell therein, because of the fruit of their doings. {P}
י
14 Tend Thy people with Thy staff, the flock of Thy heritage, that dwell solitarily, as a forest in the midst of the fruitful field; let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
טו 15 'As in the days of thy coming forth out of the land of Egypt will I show unto him marvellous things.'
16 The nations shall see and be put to shame for all their might; they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
י. 17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent; like crawling things of the earth they shall come trembling out of their close places; they shall come with fear unto the LORD our God, and shall be afraid because of Thee.
18 Who is a God like unto Thee, that pardoneth the iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He retaineth not His anger for ever, because He delighteth in mercy.
י. 19 He will again have compassion upon us; He will subdue our iniquities; and Thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
כ 20 Thou wilt show faithfulness to Jacob, mercy to Abraham, as Thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
 
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