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The Receding Floodwaters Evidence for Noah's Flood Michael Oard

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
the physical world around us is testimony to the flood but people don't live in the physical world rather they live in a tv generated hallucination. this hallucination appeals to the nature of these people more than reality does.

the reality is that God created the world in the recent past and that there was a global flood as described in the book of genesis. people hate this reality though because they have a demonic nature. having a demonic nature they prefer falsehood over truth. these are the types of people who engage in satanic blood ritual, who will sell out their own family member for a trinket, who are amused by the degradation and humiliation of others. all their lives they serve evil.

the holy bhagavat gita describes this demoniacal phenomenon


Chapter 16, Verse 8
They (the demoniac) say that this world is unreal, that there is no foundation and that there is no God in control. It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust.

Chapter 16, Verse 9
Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.

Chapter 16, Verse 10
The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.

Chapter 16, Verse 11-12
They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, by lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.

Chapter 16, Verse 13-15
The demoniac person thinks: So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything, I am the enjoyer, I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice. In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.

Chapter 16, Verse 16
Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell.

Chapter 16, Verse 17
Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes perform sacrifices in name only without following any rules or regulations.

Chapter 16, Verse 18
Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demon becomes envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in his own body and in the bodies of others, and blasphemes against the real religion.

Chapter 16, Verse 19
Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, are cast by Me into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.

Chapter 16, Verse 20
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.

Chapter 16, Verse 21
There are three gates leading to this hell-lust, anger, and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul.

Chapter 16, Verse 22
The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunti, performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains the supreme destination.

Chapter 16, Verse 23
But he who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.

Chapter 16, Verse 24
One should understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated.

Even more ironic: Poster using CLAIM to "prove" the CLAIM.

Bootstrapping Logical Fallacy.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
At least the Baha'i that I have seen here don't seem to have that problem.

EDIT:

According to various Baha'i sources they seem to take the Noah's Ark story as a morality tale. For example this one:

Deluge Myths, Noah’s Ark and the Renewal of Religion

Very good...

excerpt:

Familiar to Jews, Christians and Muslims (the Qur’an calls the Ark Safina Nuh, or Noah’s boat), this classic motif doesn’t only occur in the Abrahamic religions—it runs through just about every human culture and Faith.

Called a deluge or flood myth, it usually hinges on a deity’s destruction of civilization as an act of divine retribution, and the re-making and renewal of the Earth and its inhabitants in the process.

Probably the oldest known deluge myth comes from the Sumerian culture, in its Epic of Ziusudra, which originated in 17th Century BC Babylon. Mentions of Ziusudra and his flood in Sumerian literature predate Judaism by hundreds of years. But the lore, customs and written histories of many other cultures have deluge myths, too—the K’iche’ and Mayan peoples in ancient Mesoamerica, the indigenous Cañari Confederation in South America, the Lac Courte Oreilles Ojibwa tribe of the Anishinabe people in North America, the Hindu Puranas, Greek and Roman mythology, and many more. All of those narratives feature a great flood sent by God, and a prophet or “culture hero” who saves people and animals for the new, post-deluge era.

You might think that such a widespread myth has some actual historical evidence to back it up, but multiple scientific investigations, conducted over many successive generations, have never produced any evidence of a global deluge, or any trace of an Ark.

Perhaps, then, these ubiquitous deluge myths signify something more, something deeply symbolic meant to inspire and educate us.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
There has Indeed been a massive advance in knowledge and science.
In itself this is neither good nor bad.
There is No conspiracy of science against god.

However it is true that man has not advanced in wisdom and social skills to the same extent.
The world is certainly in danger from mankind.

Our knowledge of God is still at the level of myth, and may always remain so. It it still entrenched in primitive irrational belief and ignorance.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
The estimated age of the Appalachian Mountains is hundreds of millions of years. The Himalayan Mountains, the tallest mountains in the world, are believed to be about 30 million years old,... -- notice how they use the word "believed". don't mistake belief for fact. who is it that believes this? - a college student who read it in a text book that cost 300 dollars
What? You're just telling me this now? Where's the disclaimer warning? I believed all your posts in this thread thinking that they were all facts. Now I have go inside my head so I can find the memories containing your posts and change the file names to "not fact, just chris baron's beliefs" good thing I didn't have to pay for this seminar.
Just something like this -->:pileofpoop: as a warning would've been nice.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
amazing how people blind themselves and embrace irrational beliefs bending way over backwards just because they don't want to accept that God is their superior.

You are doing exactly this based on wanting to believe in such a God. :rolleyes:
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
The estimated age of the Appalachian Mountains is hundreds of millions of years. The Himalayan Mountains, the tallest mountains in the world, are believed to be about 30 million years old,... -- notice how they use the word "believed". don't mistake belief for fact. who is it that believes this? - a college student who read it in a text book that cost 300 dollars

Nope a researcher who has studied the matter. Looking into a book is the religious method. Looking at reality is the scientific method.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
yes i do reject education in favour of critical thinking

But science *is* critical thinking: asking that we look at the evidence as opposed to looking at a book, asking that we apply reason as opposed to faith, and being focused on *real* education based on facts as opposed to the propaganda you get from politics or religious institutions.

You reject education that disagrees with your faith and accept uncritical thinking that supports your faith. perhaps you should learn a bit better what 'critical thinking' actually means?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Critical thinking based on what? Where would you get any information necessary to practice such critical thinking - don't tell me - a religious text perhaps?

Precisely. Instead of looking at the opinions of people in the past and basing ideas on faith, look at the real world (the actual rocks, planets, plants, animals, etc), collect evidence and apply *real* critical thinking to what you find.

But, that is the scientific method. And the results don't support some religious faith, so it is rejected.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
when it come to science, religion can offer no guidance.
when it comes to referencing religion, science has has never found any evidence to support it.
 
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