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The LGBT+ movement

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Im curious what you mean. Of course I support the community, but I don't march, I dont go to parades or pride events, support groups aren't my thing, and stealth is my ideal because I just want to live (RF being pretty much the only place I'm very open about that and other things like my mental health). And to some point do not personally approve of some trends I've noticed in the community, such as going passive-aggressive loco if you accidentally misgender someone or crying when someone doesn't appreciate overly sexualized public displays.

It was a vague question and dilemma that was somehow correctly answered by Unveiled Artist, I think, if they were saying that one should support LGBT+ if they are LGBT+, but can go their own way if the LGBT+ movements sometimes don't live up to their own ideals on the matter. Basically there were about 2 out of 6 LGBT+ online communities I've been to that promoted LGBT+, but made me feel uncomfortable due to their focus.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
It seems to me that it's become a big fetish group. There is nothing liberating about walking in a parade with your genitals hanging out and your favourite gimp mask on. Sorry, there's no need for that. I see a lot of sex and not enough relationships.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
It seems to me that it's become a big fetish group. There is nothing liberating about walking in a parade with your genitals hanging out and your favourite gimp mask on. Sorry, there's no need for that. I see a lot of sex and not enough relationships.

Relationships aren't always the high ground either, though. They sometimes result in broken marriages. Though, sex isn't really the high ground either. Not sure what is.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Relationships aren't always the high ground either, though. They sometimes result in broken marriages. Though, sex isn't really the high ground either. Not sure what is.
If we want the same treatment as straight people, we need to stop whacking our dicks out at parades and just start being like everyone else. If you go sleeping around, gay or straight, you are going to be accused of being a ****, and that's how many LGBT folk are seen due to our seeming ungodly obsession with sex and showing everyone what we look like wearing only a collar.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
If we want the same treatment as straight people, we need to stop whacking our dicks out at parades and just start being like everyone else. If you go sleeping around, gay or straight, you are going to be accused of being a ****, and that's how many LGBT folk are seen due to our seeming ungodly obsession with sex and showing everyone what we look like wearing only a collar.

LGBT+ dating is different and people connect differently through it. Whereas things like financial situations and who will be the provider, whether to have kids and start a family, and who is dominant in the bedroom gets factored in in straight relationships, taking a considerable amount of time and dating and talking, the LGBT+ community has already pretty much built their own language for these subjects and can disclose the terms amongst themselves and find someone more quickly, to connect for sex or a relationship.

As for things getting promiscuous in the pride parades, you might be right.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
LGBT+ dating is different and people connect differently through it.
I can't say this is my experience.

Whereas things like financial situations and who will be the provider, whether to have kids and start a family, and who is dominant in the bedroom gets factored in in straight relationships,
Not necessarily. I have these same things in mind when looking at a girl or a boy. It's really no different. Then again, I live in the UK and things like 'the breadwinner' went out of the window a long time ago. It's expected both will just work now, kids or not.

the LGBT+ community has already pretty much built their own language for these subjects
Again, I've not found this either. A relationship is a relationship. I'm going to use the same words to express my feelings.

and can disclose the terms amongst themselves and find someone more quickly, to connect for sex or a relationship.
Not found this either, lol.
 

columbus

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If we want the same treatment as straight people, we need to stop whacking our dicks out at parades and just start being like everyone else. If you go sleeping around, gay or straight, you are going to be accused of being a ****, and that's how many LGBT folk are seen due to our seeming ungodly obsession with sex and showing everyone what we look like wearing only a collar.
I'm totally with you.
Unfortunately, I think it will take many more years of normalization before queers, as a group, stop identifying so strongly with sex and various gender issues. When the rest of the world views you that way, from the time you're a kid, it gets ingrained into your psyche in a way that's not easily erased.

That's why I consider standard Abrahamic teachings about homosexuality, when expressed around children, a form of psychological abuse. It's very similar to pedophilia, in that things that are OK amongst competent adults are not OK with kids. They just aren't developed and competent enough to deal with it, and should be protected from such things.
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Relationships aren't always the high ground either, though. They sometimes result in broken marriages. Though, sex isn't really the high ground either. Not sure what is.
Then why not let yourself die? The cause of 100% of all deaths, after all, is being born. Everything dies, everything turns to dust. Why should a relationship be feared because ot might fail? Life is waisted if we never risk failure.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
All I can say is, it's definitely different connecting with straight women as a cis male than gay women as a non passing MtF. The straight women here in the US, the first thing they will ask you on certain sites is "What is your job? What religion do you identify as? How close are you with your family? Do you want kids?" Whereas the women on the gay portions of the site ask "What are your hobbies? How do you support the LGBT+ community? Who are your favorite Youtubers? Top or bottom?"
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
This.
You don't have to join groups to support those things.
Generally, I avoid groups of queer folks. I find them annoying, overall. But that doesn't mean I don't support these goals.
Tom

Pretty much mentioned this in my reply. Any one can help others without being part of the physical movement but in general, yes. Just sayin'

I'm not physically a part of the community myself. I wish I were but all the organizations I'd like to volunteer for are two hours away. I did want to help on teen LGBT suicide hotline Trevor, but they did't reply. I think they want someone with some medical skills but it didn't mention it on the site.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
All I can say is, it's definitely different connecting with straight women as a cis male than gay women as a non passing MtF. The straight women here in the US, the first thing they will ask you on certain sites is "What is your job? What religion do you identify as? How close are you with your family? Do you want kids?" Whereas the women on the gay portions of the site ask "What are your hobbies? How do you support the LGBT+ community? Who are your favorite Youtubers? Top or bottom?"
The problem you're having here is U.S. culture.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
"What are your hobbies? How do you support the LGBT+ community? Who are your favorite Youtubers? Top or bottom?"
OK.Youtubers weren't a thing last time I tried dating, but hobbies were. School still is. So are dreams and goals. Those things get discussed in straight dating as well.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
OK.Youtubers weren't a thing last time I tried dating, but hobbies were. School still is. So are dreams and goals. Those things get discussed in straight dating as well.

Really? The straight women I've met were preoccupied with how much I love Trump, Jesus, money, and sweet tea.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Gone
Premium Member
If we want the same treatment as straight people, we need to stop whacking our dicks out at parades and just start being like everyone else. If you go sleeping around, gay or straight, you are going to be accused of being a ****, and that's how many LGBT folk are seen due to our seeming ungodly obsession with sex and showing everyone what we look like wearing only a collar.
Hence my hatred of Grindr...
 
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