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Founding a New Religious Movement (NRM)

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Oh, now I see. Earlier you said he cannot. Now he just
does not feel like it.

Which is it?

I never said God couldn’t speak English. I said we are not God so need to be addressed by God in human language. So far God has not sent a Prophet to an English speaking country so there has been no need to use English. The Prophet always communicates in the mother tongue of the nation He is appointed. Baha’u’llah spoke Persian because He appeared in Iran. And so on. Common sense really.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
What makes you think God can’t speak English? He can do anything He wishes.


You is one confused dude. Here are your own words...in bold

Never did understand why an all powerful being has to rely upon us mere mortal men and women to do everything for them...

Because we are human and can only be communicated to by humans. So God appoints One in human form to communicate with us.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
You is one confused dude. Here are your own words...in bold

Never did understand why an all powerful being has to rely upon us mere mortal men and women to do everything for them...

Because we are human and can only be communicated to by humans. So God appoints One in human form to communicate with us.

There's nothing wrong with that. We are human so must be communicated to in a form and language we can understand so God sends someone in human form to convey His Will. God is not a human being and if He appeared to us in His original form it would be like the sun descending to the earth. We could not withstand it. So He sends Messengers which are His Rays to us to communicate with us according to our capacity and language.

In every world, He appears according to the capacity of that world. For example, in the world of spirits He manifests Himself to them and appears unto them with the signs of the Spirit. So, likewise, in bodies in the world of names and attributes.

Verily, were God the Exalted to appear in His (proper) grade and form, and in a manner befitting His Station, no one could ever approach Him or endure to be near Him.(Baha’u’llah)
 

Audie

Veteran Member
There's nothing wrong with that. We are human so must be communicated to in a form and language we can understand so God sends someone in human form to convey His Will. God is not a human being and if He appeared to us in His original form it would be like the sun descending to the earth. We could not withstand it. So He sends Messengers which are His Rays to us to communicate with us according to our capacity and language.

In every world, He appears according to the capacity of that world. For example, in the world of spirits He manifests Himself to them and appears unto them with the signs of the Spirit. So, likewise, in bodies in the world of names and attributes.

Verily, were God the Exalted to appear in His (proper) grade and form, and in a manner befitting His Station, no one could ever approach Him or endure to be near Him.(Baha’u’llah)



IOW he (it) lacks the capacity to make himself understood.

Which makes sense, as a thing that does not even exist
is lacking in any capacity to do anything.

So we get these phonies or nuts who pretend that "god"
spoke to them.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
IOW he (it) lacks the capacity to make himself understood.

Which makes sense, as a thing that does not even exist
is lacking in any capacity to do anything.

So we get these phonies or nuts who pretend that "god"
spoke to them.

The human body and psyche has limitations so it lacks the ability of direct communication with God and requires an Intermefiary which are the Prophets Who appear in human form but are created from a different substance not of this world able to receive direct revelations from God.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The human body and psyche has limitations so it lacks the ability of direct communication with God and requires an Intermefiary which are the Prophets Who appear in human form but are created from a different substance not of this world able to receive direct revelations from God.
It is still the same thing, “god” is unable to do it. He ain’t much
of a god if he needs help, not much of a god if he can’t tone it down.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
IOW he (it) lacks the capacity to make himself understood.

Which makes sense, as a thing that does not even exist
is lacking in any capacity to do anything.

So we get these phonies or nuts who pretend that "god"
spoke to them.

They are only phonies to you. Billions of people disagree and believe in God and His Prophets as legitimately from God.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
It is still the same thing, “god” is unable to do it. He ain’t much
of a god if he needs help, not much of a god if he can’t tone it down.

God sends an Intermediary depending on what species He wishes to communicate with. No created beings have the ability or capacity to receive direct revelations from God. The Prophets are not ordinary human beings but pre existent Beings endowed with special capacity to receive direct revelations from a God. The average human cannot.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
God sends an Intermediary depending on what species He wishes to communicate with. No created beings have the ability or capacity to receive direct revelations from God. The Prophets are not ordinary human beings but pre existent Beings endowed with special capacity to receive direct revelations from a God. The average human cannot.
Seems a bit of a design flaw creating something you cannot communicate with.

One wonders what else this God of yours can not do
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
God sends an Intermediary depending on what species He wishes to communicate with. No created beings have the ability or capacity to receive direct revelations from God. The Prophets are not ordinary human beings but pre existent Beings endowed with special capacity to receive direct revelations from a God. The average human cannot.
loverofhumanity, kindly accept that the philosophy of your religion is at least 1400 years old and people of 21st Century who have studied science will not accept it even if they do not laugh at you at your face for your ante-antediluvian views. This is not the age to talk about prophets \ sons \ messengers \ manifesttions \ mahdis.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
God sends an Intermediary depending on what species He wishes to communicate with. No created beings have the ability or capacity to receive direct revelations from God. The Prophets are not ordinary human beings but pre existent Beings endowed with special capacity to receive direct revelations from a God. The average human cannot.

took me a while to think of this...And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. ..

But then I am not a goddie who studies the book

What is your excuse?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Billions of people also used to think the world was flat.
Appeal to numbers does not help your claims.

Hey, reality is like totally a popularity contest, ok?
And the day there are more followers of Allah than that
other guy, guess which one is True????
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
took me a while to think of this...And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. ..

But then I am not a goddie who studies the book

What is your excuse?

That’s an excellent observation and question. Difficult to answer but I’ll try.

My understanding is that inspiration from God and a direct Revelation from Him complete with a religion and Holy Book with followers are not the same thing.

God can inspire our hearts through the Holy Spirit but only a Prophet can receive a direct Revelation from God.

The great musicians and artists such as Bach and Da Vinci we say were inspired as well as scientists like Newton but it was not a direct Revelation from God which is confined to the Prophets.

In the story of Adam and Eve many metaphors are used showing that it was not a true story but a metaphor as there are no such things as talking snakes.

Baha’is pray saying O my God but that doesn’t mean that a Burning Bush or the Angel Gabriel as with Moses and Muhammad are going to appear before us.

So to recapitulate. People can be inspired by the Holy Spirit but a direct Revelation from God with infallible knowledge only comes through the Prophets. Adam and Eve did not bring a new Revelation to humanity. It is a story and metaphor about the consequences of man turning away from God.

“And since there can be no tie of direct intercourse to bind the one true God with His creation, .........He hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest” (Bahá’u’lláh)
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Then they consider me a hell bound sinner, because I know that y'all are wrong and say so.
Out loud.
Tom

And you will continue to be hell-bound as long as you believe them. Actual Christians practice mercy as was given to them. The average secular person judges themselves sinners, and allows crappy Christians to also judge them.

Quote this verse.

Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

and this one.

Matthew 18:21-35
23 “Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven can be compared to a king who decided to bring his accounts up to date with servants who had borrowed money from him. 24 In the process, one of his debtors was brought in who owed him millions of dollars. 25 He couldn’t pay, so his master ordered that he be sold—along with his wife, his children, and everything he owned—to pay the debt.

26 “But the man fell down before his master and begged him, ‘Please, be patient with me, and I will pay it all.’ 27 Then his master was filled with pity for him, and he released him and forgave his debt.

28 “But when the man left the king, he went to a fellow servant who owed him a few thousand dollars. He grabbed him by the throat and demanded instant payment.

29 “His fellow servant fell down before him and begged for a little more time. ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it,’ he pleaded. 30 But his creditor wouldn’t wait. He had the man arrested and put in prison until the debt could be paid in full.

31 “When some of the other servants saw this, they were very upset. They went to the king and told him everything that had happened. 32 Then the king called in the man he had forgiven and said, ‘You evil servant! I forgave you that tremendous debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Shouldn’t you have mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’ 34 Then the angry king sent the man to prison to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt.

And walk off.
 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
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