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Is Iraq justified is expelling U.S. forces?

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
LOL! That's the best you could do? I anticipated a longer list. ;)
But you get my point. Once we're economically or militarily ensconced somewhere we tend to stay there.

Well, there's also Vietnam, France, and China. The Philippines kicked us out briefly, but then after a while, they wanted us back. Any of these countries can kick us out at any time, and the US would have no other choice but to comply.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Iraq is a sovereign government so yes we have to leave if asked to. I think we were asked to leave after the new government was in place, but then asked to return for help with Isis and then came the 'surge'. The most threatening now that Trump has taken us out of the agreement with Iran they are free to resume once again their nuclear missiles.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Iraq is a sovereign government so yes we have to leave if asked to. I think we were asked to leave after the new government was in place, but then asked to return for help with Isis and then came the 'surge'. The most threatening now that Trump has taken us out of the agreement with Iran they are free to resume once again their nuclear missiles.


Just as a point of reference, the Iraqi Parliament vote on expulsion is non-binding. This is just window dressing; they know their days would be numbered if the US were not there.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
LOL! That's the best you could do? I anticipated a longer list. ;)
But you get my point. Once we're economically or militarily ensconced somewhere we tend to stay there.
It was just one which came to mind.
I didn't know you wanted more.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
In this one Ill considered act Trump has not only made a peaceful relationship with Iran impossible, but he has also destroyed the relationship with Iraq, a much needed ally in the region. With this one stupid move he has undone all the progress that has been made in U.S./Iraq relations in the last twenty years.

Ill-considered, yes, but only from an America point of view. This has got to be a second Christmas for Putin.

Isn't this what we should suspect when the American president is the preferred candidate of a foreign leader who has malice for America? There's a reason why people like Putin aren't allowed to vote in American elections, or why he couldn't be the American president. He is an enemy of America, but a friend of Trump's.

Over 40% of Americans continue support the same candidate Putin supports, which candidate has suspiciously undermined treaties with Iran, withdrawn American troops from Syria ("By giving Turkey a green light to invade northern Syria, the U.S. upended the balance of power in the Middle East with a single stroke. Russia is the biggest winner." - WSJ), and now touched off this latest powder keg with Iran that has Iraq attempting to expel the US - all big wins for Putin and losses for American citizens, whose lives have just become a little more dangerous.

Trump hasn't ruined the opportunity for peaceful negotiation with Iran. If his replacement is a skilled negotiator, it can be done.

So you're looking for the Trump replacement to make America great again, or at least to undo some of the harm Trump has done.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Ill-considered, yes, but only from an America point of view. This has got to be a second Christmas for Putin.

Isn't this what we should suspect when the American president is the preferred candidate of a foreign leader who has malice for America? There's a reason why people like Putin aren't allowed to vote in American elections, or why he couldn't be the American president. He is an enemy of America, but a friend of Trump's.

Over 40% of Americans continue support the same candidate Putin supports, which candidate has suspiciously undermined treaties with Iran, withdrawn American troops from Syria ("By giving Turkey a green light to invade northern Syria, the U.S. upended the balance of power in the Middle East with a single stroke. Russia is the biggest winner." - WSJ), and now touched off this latest powder keg with Iran that has Iraq attempting to expel the US - all big wins for Putin and losses for American citizens, whose lives have just become a little more dangerous.



So you're looking for the Trump replacement to make America great again, or at least to undo some of the harm Trump has done.
Another who looks for Putin under his bed every night. At least half of the population finds your view to be ridiculous.

We had less than 50 troops in a position to block Turkey. The only green light they got after they informed us of their invasion was to remove those troops, and demand that their safety zone in Syria not be any larger than they stated.

What would you be saying now if we went to war with Turkey to stop them ?

It was Obama that allowed russia to invade and keep Ukrainian territory, and denied the Ukrainians weapons to kill Russian tanks. Did you accuse Obama of being in bed with Russia ?

Yep, Trump has done a lot of harm. a roaring economy, historic lows in unemployment overall, as well as for women, Blacks and Hispanics. A rebuilt military whose members got a raise in pay for the first time in ten years.

Undermined treaties with iran? We had no treaties with iran. Treaties require approval by congress. The iran nuclear agreement would never have passed congress, so Obama refused to submit it to congress. So the peoples representatives had no say in the agreement, it was solely an Obama deal.

It was bad, and guaranteed iran nuclear weapons in 12 years, 5 of which have passed.

Trumps new trade deal for north America has even helped your country.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Now watch for the resurgence of ISIS since our troops will now have to motivate for defense, not offence. Terrorist groups thrive on instability.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Iraqi parliament calls for expulsion of foreign troops

The U.S. has abused their presence in Iraq to launch an assassination of a foreign national who was on his way to meet with the Iraqi Prime Minister. The Iraq Parliament is more than justified is seeking the expulsion of U,S. troops.

In this one Ill considered act Trump has not only made a peaceful relationship with Iran impossible, but he has also destroyed the relationship with Iraq, a much needed ally in the region. With this one stupid move he has undone all the progress that has been made in U.S./Iraq relations in the last twenty years.

And even Trump cannot be stupid enough to think they will get paid for that base or anything else.

I've been asked to leave parties where I've overstayed my welcome; I'd gladly left figuring my absence from the party was the party's loss rather than my loss: likewise, American troops should leave Iraq if they've overstayed their welcome. America's mission of getting rid of Saddam Hussein and the annihilation of ISIS there has been accomplished. Perhaps, our troops now in Iraq should have a humongous Mission Accomplished party celebration prior to their exit from Iraq.


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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Germany.

Japan,

Vietnam

Russia (yes, believe it or not, we put troops in Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution)

Italy

Algeria

Morroco,

France

Sicily

Austria

Belgium

Netherlands
Don't we still have military bases in many of these countries?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I've been asked to leave parties where I've overstayed my welcome; I'd gladly left figuring my absence from the party was the party's loss rather than my loss: likewise, American troops should leave Iraq if they've overstayed their welcome. America's mission of getting rid of Saddam Hussein and the annihilation of ISIS there has been accomplished. Perhaps, our troops now in Iraq should have a humongous Mission Accomplished party celebration prior to their exit from Iraq.
Overstayed our welcome? I don't recall being invited in in the first pace.
Annihilate ISIS? Didn't American 'debathification' cause ISIS?
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I remember Bush's "Mission Accomplished" party.
Doubtless, he does too.
Tom
I recommend discovering what actually happened....
Mission Accomplished speech - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
The Mission Accomplished speech (named for a banner displayed above the speaker) was a televised address by United States President George W. Bush on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. The name became central in the controversy that followed.

Although Bush stated at the time "Our mission continues" and "We have difficult work to do in Iraq," he also stated that it was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. Bush never uttered the phrase "Mission Accomplished";[2] a banner stating "Mission Accomplished" was used as a backdrop to the speech. Bush's assertion—and the sign itself—became controversial after guerrilla warfare in Iraq increased during the Iraqi insurgency. The vast majority of casualties, both military and civilian, occurred after the speech.[3]

Navy Commander and Pentagon spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew."[9]
 
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