Proof Jesus said he is not God in atleast 3 Gospel accounts

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

Simple Equation #1.

God = Good
Jesus = Not Good
Jesus = Not God

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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Simple Equation #2

God = Good
Father = Good
Father = God

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
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Closing verses

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

74x12 · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
God = Good
Jesus = Not Good
Jesus = Not God

Perhaps you can point to one thing Jesus ever did that made Him not good. Otherwise I think you're wrong.

74x12 · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

They actually added "Father" in the KJV.

If you check the Greek that word is not present. On the contrary it is saying "It pleased all the fullness to dwell in Him".

Which means He is indwelled with the fullness God.

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

74x12 said:
They actually added "Father" in the KJV.

If you check the Greek that word is not present. On the contrary it is saying "It pleased all the fullness to dwell in Him".

Which means He is indwelled with the fullness God.

stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

74x12 said:
Perhaps you can point to one thing Jesus ever did that made Him not good. Otherwise I think you're wrong.

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Unveiled Artist · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Christians do a lot of this, I notice. Proving something true by absence of information. He could mean yes, I am good-I am your son, of course (unblemished like other sacrifices) but I'm not "equal" to you. Another spin on it.

74x12 · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

We call Jesus good because He is good and it's obvious. But He looks to see if you have been given from above to know Him. That's why He asks.

Because the world didn't know Him and couldn't know Him.

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

74x12 said:
We call Jesus good because He is good and it's obvious. But He looks to see if you have been given from above to know Him. That's why He asks.

Because the world didn't know Him and couldn't know Him.

The one whose works and will he did is good.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

74x12 · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Nice tactic. If anyone disagrees; just call them stubborn. Not going to work on me.

Jesus is the Word that proceeded from God's mouth literally and this is why He says that He proceeded forth from God.

Because as He said "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

And again it is written "I am that bread of life."

And again it's written "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11)

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

No one can know Him or the Father unless He reveals Himself to them they will not know Him. This is what He taught Himself and it is true.

Matthew 11:25-27
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

74x12 · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
The one whose works and will he did is good.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Yes and Jesus did it all perfectly. As even the Father said "I am well pleased"

stvdv · Jan 5, 2020

74x12 said:
Nice tactic. If anyone disagrees; just call them stubborn. Not going to work on me.

Jesus is the Word that proceeded from God's mouth literally and this is why He says that He proceeded forth from God.

Because as He said "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"

And again it is written "I am that bread of life."

And again it's written "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11)

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

No one can know Him or the Father unless He reveals Himself to them they will not know Him. This is what He taught Himself and it is true.

Matthew 11:25-27
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

You just pick the verses that fit your belief

That's fine, as long as you don't superimpose them on others as being "The one and only Truth".

They are your truth, others have their truth.

74x12 · Jan 5, 2020

stvdv said:
You just pick the verses that fit your belief

I go by the whole Bible. Just because I choose not to explain some things doesn't mean I am unable to do so.

stvdv said:
That's fine, as long as you don't superimpose them on others as being "The one and only Truth".

They are your truth, others have their truth.

So is that a Buddhist idea that everyone has their own truth? If so; then you're superimposing your beliefs on me.

leov · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
Simple Equation #1.

God = Good
Jesus = Not Good
Jesus = Not God

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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Simple Equation #2

God = Good
Father = Good
Father = God

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
------------------------------------------------------

Closing verses

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

I think Jesus said here, do not call me good teacher as only God is good teacher.

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

leov said:
I think Jesus said here, do not call me good teacher as only God is good teacher.

Pretty much self explanatory. After reading verses below simply ask yourself; How can they believe?

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

John 5: 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 7:7 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
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How can one believe in a gospel that came from someone when they disbelieve his own words? Logically Either his words are lost to them or they believe them untrue.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We all have the right to believe what we want to believe however shouldn't we be sincere and honest about it "Respectful " to each other?

For example if I believe the earth is flat should I not stand behind my own doctrine instead of using or hiding behind the doctrine that the earth is round to justify it being flat?

It Aint Necessarily So · Jan 5, 2020

74x12 said:
We call Jesus good because He is good and it's obvious.

Not to me, unless by good you mean relatively civil and nonviolent. Excluding all of the supernatural claims, the life of Jesus was an pretty undistinguished one. His name was made well-known by the likes of Paul and Constantine, used to create a religion, but that came later and was just a marketing device. You need a sympathetic martyr for a religion based in sacrifice and obedience, but it didn't have to be Jesus. Probably anybody killed for religious beliefs could be used as well, especially if he left nothing behind in writing.

The life of Jesus was typical of the lives of thousands of others then and since. I don't think much of the people doing these things today - assorted gurus and other charismatic leaders with followings of people looking for somebody to lead them, which they do in place of useful providing useful labor - a time-honored means of avoiding having a hard job like carpenter. Just wander talking authoritatively and let others feed you.

How many hundreds of people do you know that are just as good or better - people who are also generally gentle, honest, and well-meaning? How was the life of Jesus any better than that? He didn't raise as many dead as he could have had he had that power, nor teach the people about using mold to extract life-saving antibiotics, nor even to wash their hands before delivering babies if he had that knowledge.

And if not, what's special about this life as actually lived sans the supernatural embellishments?

74x12 said:
Nice tactic. If anyone disagrees; just call them stubborn.

Or angry. Or ignorant of scripture. Or trying to escape accountability. I'm not sure that he was calling you stubborn, but I don't know why else he turned to that idea.

But this is just the milieu of religious apologetics, where people are easily offended. I recently disagreed with somebody's claim that freedom was a central message of the New Testament. I presented contradictory scriptures, which were ignored. I was told that I was on a jihad and needed a Xanax, and that this was probably the result of being bruised by Christianity.

It's de rigueur in this activity..I can easily imagine you becoming angry over my comment about Jesus' life being fairly ordinary, which of course was a position carefully considered, sincerely believed, and constructively offered. But if one criticizes what another considers sacred, often none of that matters. You're become a bad guy who needs to be dressed down, as you were with the stubborn comment. This is how the deity of those scriptures sets the tone. Submission and believing by faith are virtues worthy of reward, and the alternatives deserve contempt and punishment

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

It Aint Necessarily So said:
Not to me, unless by good you mean relatively civil and nonviolent. Excluding all of the supernatural claims, the life of Jesus was an pretty undistinguished one. His name was made well-known by the likes of Paul and Constantine, used to create a religion, but that came later and was just a marketing device. You need a sympathetic martyr for a religion based in sacrifice and obedience, but it didn't have to be Jesus. Probably anybody killed for religious beliefs could be used as well, especially if he left nothing behind in writing.

The life of Jesus was typical of the lives of thousands of others then and since. I don't think much of the people doing these things today - assorted gurus and other charismatic leaders with followings of people looking for somebody to lead them, which they do in place of useful providing useful labor - a time-honored means of avoiding having a hard job like carpenter. Just wander talking authoritatively and let others feed you.

How many hundreds of people do you know that are just as good or better - people who are also generally gentle, honest, and well-meaning? How was the life of Jesus any better than that? He didn't raise as many dead as he could have had he had that power, nor teach the people about using mold to extract life-saving antibiotics, nor even to wash their hands before delivering babies if he had that knowledge.

And if not, what's special about this life as actually lived sans the supernatural embellishments?

Or angry. Or ignorant of scripture. Or trying to escape accountability. I'm not sure that he was calling you stubborn, but I don't know why else he turned to that idea.

But this is just the milieu of religious apologetics, where people are easily offended. I recently disagreed with somebody's claim that freedom was a central message of the New Testament. I presented contradictory scriptures, which were ignored. I was told that I was on a jihad and needed a Xanax, and that this was probably the result of being bruised by Christianity.

It's de rigueur in this activity..I can easily imagine you becoming angry over my comment about Jesus' life being fairly ordinary, which of course was a position carefully considered, sincerely believed, and constructively offered. But if one criticizes what another considers sacred, often none of that matters. You're become a bad guy who needs to be dressed down, as you were with the stubborn comment. This is how the deity of those scriptures sets the tone. Submission and believing by faith are virtues worthy of reward, and the alternatives deserve contempt and punishment

To some the only begotten Son of God seems to be Paul or perhaps even Constantine .

One can say freedom exists on a micro level but not on a macro level. In reality there are choices and consequences which are all governed by something or principles greater than us.

Freedom essentially is the lack of expectations which only infants have.

Milk or Breast Milk can only be produced for so long yet because of inconvenience or lack of maturity we can refuse to accept this reality which eventually leads us to a problem .

This verse below exist for a reason. though not believed by all who say they believe.

Hebrews 6
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

leov · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
To some the only begotten Son of God seems to be Paul or perhaps even Constantine .

One can say freedom exists on a micro level but not on a macro level. In reality there are choices and consequences which are all governed by something or principles greater than us.

Freedom essentially is the lack of expectations which only infants have.

Milk or Breast Milk can only be produced for so long yet because of inconvenience or lack of maturity we can refuse to accept this reality which eventually leads us to a problem .

This verse below exist for a reason. though not believed by all who say they believe.

Hebrews 6
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb. 6 "Doctrine of Christ" vs doctrine of Jesus...

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

stvdv said:
You just pick the verses that fit your belief

That's fine, as long as you don't superimpose them on others as being "The one and only Truth".

They are your truth, others have their truth.

I am assuming you are talking to me. Apologies if you aren't

5 + 5 * 5 is equal to 30 and not 50.
The reason it is equal to 30 is because we must multiply before we add.

Now the unlearned in math will boast against the natural branches / order of operations , and say that it is 50 because we solve problems from left to right.

Perhaps it is not me superimposing on others but actually knowing what is expedient or the foundation

1Cor6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Cor 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

If the scriptures were converted into a mathematical problem then deuteronomy 6:4 and ephesians 4:6 is what is inside the parenthesis or brackets.

Deu 6: 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Eph 4:6 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7: 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 5: 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 5: 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

John 5:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 5: 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 13: 3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

stvdv · Jan 5, 2020

Iymus said:
I am assuming you are talking to me. Apologies if you aren't

No, I was not talking to you. I was talking to the poster I replied to.
But apologies accepted.

By the way, I did like the Bible verses you mentioned, and that poster skipped your nice verses
Hence my reply to the other poster

Iymus · Jan 5, 2020

stvdv said:
No, I was not talking to you. I was talking to the poster I replied to.
But apologies accepted.

By the way, I did like the Bible verses you mentioned, and that poster skipped your nice verses
Hence my reply to the other poster

I totally forgot I opted to no longer see his comments because of his stubbornness. Nothing against him personally. Naivety I can deal with but blatant stubbornness is something else.

The Best Foundation Trinitarians can have is

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

But when you start showing what is expedient they constantly move the goal post. Maybe I will create a post in the future addressing this specifically.

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