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"John 8:58" Jesus never said he is I Am That I Am

Iymus

Active Member
I AM THAT I AM = God

Essentially I have substituted I AM THAT I AM with God in a few verses below to prove the point with verse references cited

Jesus said unto them, If I AM THAT I AM were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from I AM THAT I AM; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

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Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is I AM THAT I AM:

Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
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Jesus did not say that he is I AM THAT I AM and based off the information he seems to be responding to the Jews that he is older than Abraham and they took up stones to cast at him.

Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

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Ending with these

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I AM THAT I AM = God

Essentially I have substituted I AM THAT I AM with God in a few verses below to prove the point with verse references cited

Jesus said unto them, If I AM THAT I AM were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from I AM THAT I AM; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

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Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is I AM THAT I AM:

Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
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Jesus did not say that he is I AM THAT I AM and based off the information he seems to be responding to the Jews that he is older than Abraham and they took up stones to cast at him.

Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Ending with these

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Why does it matter so much to you if Jesus is God or not though?

If you know that He is all powerful (Matthew 28:18)
and He is appointed to judge the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1)
And no one comes to the Father but through Him (John 14:6)
And when you see Him you even see the Father and shouldn't even ever ask again to see the Father. (john 14:9)
And the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God is shining in His face. (2 Corinthians 4:6)
And when He returns He will return in His Father's glory (Matthew 16:27)
And whoever confesses that Jesus is Lord does so unto the glory of the Father. (Philipians 2:11)

Then He's God for all intents and purposes anyway. (Although I know for sure He is God indeed; but I'm saying this for your sake.)
 

Iymus

Active Member
Why does it matter so much to you if Jesus is God or not though?

If you know that He is all powerful (Matthew 28:18)
and He is appointed to judge the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1)
And no one comes to the Father but through Him (John 14:6)
And when you see Him you even see the Father and shouldn't even ever ask again to see the Father. (john 14:9)
And the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God is shining in His face. (2 Corinthians 4:6)
And when He returns He will return in His Father's glory (Matthew 16:27)
And whoever confesses that Jesus is Lord does so unto the glory of the Father. (Philipians 2:11)

Then He's God for all intents and purposes anyway. (Although I know for sure He is God indeed; but I'm saying this for your sake.)

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
The form resembles the speeches of personified Wisdom in the Old Testament.
Proverbs 8:22
“The LORD begot me, the beginning of his works,

the forerunner of his deeds of long ago;

23From of old I was formed,

at the first, before the earth.
 

Iymus

Active Member
Both the Holy Spirit and His beginning of creation was possessed by the Father by which all things were made. Time or the beginning is the result of The Father of Spirits giving The Son life.

Nothing new under the son. With things clearly being seen with things that are made.

We are spirit and flesh. In the flesh time starts for us when our earthly father gives seed and is planted.

The Concept of Father is an Originator. For example Hippocrates known as Father of modern medicine because of his fruits and labour in that field.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I AM THAT I AM = God

Essentially I have substituted I AM THAT I AM with God in a few verses below to prove the point with verse references cited

Jesus said unto them, If I AM THAT I AM were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from I AM THAT I AM; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is I AM THAT I AM:

Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
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Jesus did not say that he is I AM THAT I AM and based off the information he seems to be responding to the Jews that he is older than Abraham and they took up stones to cast at him.

Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Ending with these

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Did I reply to you in this thread?

I listed a good amount of scripture etc but can't find it anywhere in search etc.

I'm wondering if you read it, or?

(I think it's the one where I asked to lower the caps)
 

Iymus

Active Member
Did I reply to you in this thread?

I listed a good amount of scripture etc but can't find it anywhere in search etc.

I'm wondering if you read it, or?

(I think it's the one where I asked to lower the caps)

Moderators have already deleted one or two of my posts claiming it is in violation of
Rule 4: Soliciting/Advertising and Off-Topic Spam

Perhaps it was in this one
https://www.religiousforums.com/posts/6468271/

I have already replied to them asking them for further information because they did not say specifically how I violated Rule 4




 

Iymus

Active Member
Unless you are not allowed to
Did I reply to you in this thread?

I listed a good amount of scripture etc but can't find it anywhere in search etc.

I'm wondering if you read it, or?

(I think it's the one where I asked to lower the caps)

Forgot to say:
Unless you are not allowed to or it is too inconvenient , please post it again
 
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