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Do we Realize Isaiah 13:10 Prophesied Betelgeuse Will go Supernova?

Do you accept Judgement Day is soon?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • No

    Votes: 22 71.0%
  • Other...?

    Votes: 4 12.9%

  • Total voters
    31

nPeace

Veteran Member
It has been proven by the religious texts globally with my name in them, and the knowledge I've had since I can remember.

The only miracle for this wicked generation is Judgement Day, and then after those worthy shall exist in an Age of Godliness.

The Gospels talk of the Sun and moon being darkened, so if we do Bible studies on this it becomes apparent Isaiah 13:10 is speaking about the constellation Orion...

In the 2012 forum which no longer exists, I did post had anyone noticed Biblically it isn't our sun blowing up, yet Betelgeuse based on exegesis in the Bible.

I wasn't the first in stating it is fact though, observation shows it is happening, and the Bible shows it was predicted by advanced beings who created our reality.

Not claimed supernatural powers, said the Source of reality said things that are in all the religious texts globally. :rolleyes:

The whole of Amos 5 is about Judgement Day... 'and turneth the shadow of death into the morning' is the same reference as Zechariah 14:7, where it shall become light at night.

The Lord's Right Arm shall do Mighty things, and remove the wicked in a day.

Yeah it might become a black hole from some of the prophecies, as the sky shall be rolled up like a scroll.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Not trying to change your mind, because I can't, but that prophesy was fulfilled centuries ago.
How we know? By reading the entire chapter. The prophecy pertains to Babylon.

Isaiah 13 King James Version (KJV)
1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.



In all fairness, we have to ask, when did God shake the heavens, and remove the earth?
Suppose we read all of this as symbolic - the heavens, earth, sun, and stars, are a figurative representation.
Suppose we read the whole text as representing something future... then Babylon would be a symbolic representation, thus the entire text too, would by symbolic.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
It has been proven by the religious texts globally with my name in them, and the knowledge I've had since I can remember.

No, it hasn't. We have no idea what your name is. The forum is anonymous.

The only miracle for this wicked generation is Judgement Day, and then after those worthy shall exist in an Age of Godliness.

Show me, don't tell me. I don't need more verses. Show me.

The Gospels talk of the Sun and moon being darkened, so if we do Bible studies on this it becomes apparent Isaiah 13:10 is speaking about the constellation Orion...

Orion is not Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse is not Orion. We've been over this.

In the 2012 forum which no longer exists, I did post had anyone noticed Biblically it isn't our sun blowing up, yet Betelgeuse based on exegesis in the Bible.

So you were wrong before. Guess you're wrong again. :shrug:

I wasn't the first in stating it is fact though, observation shows it is happening, and the Bible shows it was predicted by advanced beings who created our reality.

The Bible "shows" nothing of the sort. It claims things, which have no evidence behind them.

Not claimed supernatural powers, said the Source of reality said things that are in all the religious texts globally. :rolleyes:

You claim to be the Messiah and to have had prophetic knowledge of Betelgeuse going supernova before anyone else. :rolleyes:

The whole of Amos 5 is about Judgement Day... 'and turneth the shadow of death into the morning' is the same reference as Zechariah 14:7, where it shall become light at night.

Again, vague and generic. Not specific. Nothing about Betelgeuse. Not even a prophecy, a present-tense statement.

The Lord's Right Arm shall do Mighty things, and remove the wicked in a day.

Not a response to what I said.

Yeah it might become a black hole from some of the prophecies, as the sky shall be rolled up like a scroll.

There's no evidence that Betelgeuse's supernova will "roll the sky up like a scroll," that doesn't even mean anything.

I think we're done here. You are just going to keep quoting bits and pieces of vague verses that only tangentially have anything to do with what you're talking about. You haven't show you're the Messiah, you haven't shown that you've accurately prophesied anything or had supernatural knowledge of anything, ever. Come back with better evidence.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I don't need more verses.
The Rabbinic Jews still don't understand Yeshua was Messiah due to bad understanding of the verses, and being lazy in study; your answers are typical of why people fail the exam down here.
You claim to be the Messiah and to have had prophetic knowledge of Betelgeuse going supernova before anyone else.
Nope, you just keep adding extra stuff that doesn't exist in what was said, and then arguing against that.

Being Messiah I've only known exegetically since 2 years ago for sure; whereas known I'm sent from Heaven, and my name is in the religious texts since 4-5 years old.

The Great Tribulation I witnessed in visions comes from the sky, and then have been trying to understand this in the religious texts.

On realizing what the Bible said, found that science agreed with my findings, and so published both at the same time.

Have been explaining the fulfilment of Biblical prophecy, and the coming of Judgement Day, since March 2004 earliest as my site shows, and on here since October 2004.
I think we're done here.
Indeed the aptitude so far would mean deletion in the Fire, as you're clearly not getting any of this.
We have no idea what your name is. The forum is anonymous.
wizanda = Zanda Dibbo-Pajączkowski (ૐ).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Not trying to change your mind, because I can't, but that prophesy was fulfilled centuries ago.
How we know? By reading the entire chapter. The prophecy pertains to Babylon.
Where is ancient Babylon? Iran/Iraq.

Where is World War 3 starting? Israel Vs Iran.

Do you see that can fit these references in the texts, just modern place names?
Suppose we read
When we read into a text, that is call Eisegesis; when we find what the text means, that is called Exegesis.

In Isaiah the word Tebel (World), interlinks many global prophecies (Isaiah 13:11, Isaiah 24:4, Isaiah 34:1).

If we use Esword Bible software, with Strongs Concordance, etc, it is easier to study, and see cross referencing.
In all fairness, we have to ask, when did God shake the heavens, and remove the earth?
If we can see a logical hypothesis like that, it is better to assess it built on a firm precept, before trying to make stuff fit.

If we do Bible word searches on shaking Heaven, and Earth, we find this in Revelation as the 6th Seal, 7th Bowl, and Trumpet; it appears to be the End of Time coming for many, before the Kingdom of God is established here on earth.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Where is ancient Babylon? Iran/Iraq.

Where is World War 3 starting? Israel Vs Iran.

Do you see that can fit these references in the texts, just modern place names?

When we read into a text, that is call Eisegesis; when we find what the text means, that is called Exegesis.

In Isaiah the word Tebel (World), interlinks many global prophecies (Isaiah 13:11, Isaiah 24:4, Isaiah 34:1).

If we use Esword Bible software, with Strongs Concordance, etc, it is easier to study, and see cross referencing.

If we can see a logical hypothesis like that, it is better to assess it built on a firm precept, before trying to make stuff fit.

If we do Bible word searches on shaking Heaven, and Earth, we find this in Revelation as the 6th Seal, 7th Bowl, and Trumpet; it appears to be the End of Time coming for many, before the Kingdom of God is established here on earth.

In my opinion. :innocent:
So if you think the prophecy in Isaiah refer to the end times, the sun, and stars are symbolic. Not true?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
So if you think the prophecy in Isaiah refer to the end times, the sun, and stars are symbolic. Not true?
The sun and stars are real contextually, unless shown otherwise, and in that we find multiple prophecies of the sun darkened.

These are real events that haven't taken place, and soon will take place; with us sent before it to examine the religious results of humanity, which we've done on Religious Forums, etc.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Strongs has 'sworn', which is as it is contextually used in Exodus 17:16.

H3676
כֵּס
kês
kace
Apparently a contraction for H3678, but probably by erroneous transcription for H5251: - sworn.


Brown Drivers Briggs has Throne.
Just curious for future discussions: Are you good with Brown Drivers Briggs?

Fools/Jokers, could be a comedy punchline.

Yes. I can see that. Seems like the comedy lead-in for Isaiah 47:13?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The IbnEzra connection that I mentioned earlier is looking at the placement of Orion in the sky, and what IbnEzra says about that. Also Job 9:9 describes it coming from the South. That I think is significant and IbnEzra should explain that somewhere... I'm still searching for it...

@wizanda... found it...

This comes from a book called ראשית חכמה, Reisheis Chochmah, The Beginning of Wisdom by Avraham IbnEzra. This book describes the movement of the stars, moon, and planets, and how the ancient Babylonians, Persians, and Hindus were able to use this to make astrological predeictions. The IbnEzra seems to indicate that these techniques actually work, but, that there is no reason to apply them in practice, because, faith in G-d is more effective. StarGazing, according to IbnEzra, can predict, but, faith in G-d can protect. That's something that perhaps should be applied to concerns about any Supernova. IbnEzra would recommend faith in G-d instead of stargazing.

Chapter 1: ( quoted from the English translation by Meira B. Epstein )

"In this book I will mention to you all that was agreed upon by the ancient Babylonians, the Persians, the Hindus, and the Greeks whose chief was Ptolemy."

However, IbnEzra cautions against following what "was agreed upon". And that is the reason the book is named "The Beginning of Wisdom". It's a reference to the famous quote from proverbs. And this is used to urge the reader NOT to stargaze as a way to avoid misfortune. Stargazing is folly or foolish, according to the IbnEzra. And that might be why the Hebrew word for constellations ( "וּכְסִ֣ילֵיהֶ֔ם" H3685 ) is similar to the Hebrew word for foolish ( "כְּסִיל" H3684 ). Maybe it is because in Judaism it is foolish to put one's faith in StarGazing instead of having faith in G-d? See below: ( From the Introduction )

"The beginning of wisdom is the fear of G-d, for it is the instruction. For when a man does not follow his eyes and heart to fulfill his [worldly] desire, then wisdom will rest on him. Moreover, the fear of G-d will protect him from the laws and ordinances of the heavens all the days of his life..."

Here, the "laws and ordinances of the heavens" are "what was agreed upon" ( stargazing for prediction ) by the ancient Babylonians, Persians, Hindus, etc.. ". Note: the stars planets moon are all legitimate signs per Genesis 1:14.

That said, the IbnEzra describes what is known about Kesil ( H3684 ) and the Southern Chamber which is referenced in Job and Amos. And there is some good reasons for this particular constellation / star to be labeled foolish.

The constellation known as Orion is described by IbnEzra as
הכלב הגבור , HaCelev HaGibbor, The Dog [and] The Warrior ( Or The Warrior [and] The Dog ) and it includes the constellations of Orion and what is known as Canis Major and a constellation described as a Ship. IbnEzra identifies this constellation as the second "Southern Constellation" with 38 stars. This is described in Chapter 1.

The stars themselves and their meaning ( for use in prediction ) is described in Chapter 2. IbnEzra describes a few of the prominent stars in the Dog, and then moves on to the Warrior, and then speaks about the star named "Kesil".

"The bright one called Kesil is of the nature of Jupiter and Saturn".

Jupiter represents peace and goodwill, and Saturn represents war. That's pretty foolish, isn't it? Both peace and war?
Also, the direction "South" aka the "South Chamber" that is identified in Job 9:9 ( a link between Kesil H3684 and H3685 which is needed for your claim ) is described in chapter 3.

"The quadrant extending from the MidHeaven to the setting degree is southern, weak ... and it's actions go backward. Corresponding to it is fire ... and red bile."

That's not a positive aspect at all.

So, it seems that "וּכְסִ֣ילֵיהֶ֔ם" H3685 ( literally Fools, plural ) is a good Hebrew name for constellations in general because Jewish people were not encouraged to put their faith in astrological signs. Also, constellations in the South Chamber are weak and going backward. That sounds foolish. Finally the bright star in the constellation of Orion itself ( which is southern ) is named Kesil ( see Job 9:9 ) and it represents a total hypocrisy of peace and war.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Are you good with Brown Drivers Briggs?
I like it as an alternative reference, as it lists all the Hebraic places, and name meanings.
Maybe it is because in Judaism it is foolish to put one's faith in StarGazing instead of having faith in G-d?
Careful Rabbinic Judaism have been set opposite on purpose since Babylon (Ezekiel 20:25); therefore there is a big difference between divination like horoscopes, and being precise with electional astrology: which is that God sets the movement of stars in the Heavens, and these are signs of the times.

Take into account Zoroastrian priest had it prophesied about the birth of the Messiah (Saoshyant) by star alignment; nothing happens by chance, and everything is synchronistic.

Supposedly the Arabic naming was used for Betelgeuse (yad al-Jawza), meaning "the hand of Jawza"); which makes no sense etymologically to me.

We see Betel is Hebrew for the House of God; therefore to have Betel repeatedly used in Amos 5 prior to it blowing up, isn't by chance that we now have that name.

The word 'Geuse', sounds exactly like 'Jews' in a speech program. :eek:

There might be a better Ancient Hebrew meaning of Geuse... o_O

In Job 9:8-9 we see the Heaven's being stretched out, and that these were the naming of the constellations specific to our people in Ancient Times; so we then have to determine what each name means in Hebrew, then correlate meanings based on the meaning of each constellation from them times.

Amos 5:5 but don’t seek Bethel (House of God), nor enter into Gilgal (Reincarnation), and don’t pass to Beersheba (Seven Oaths = Land of the Philistines - Genesis 21:22-34): for Gilgal (Reincarnated) shall surely go into captivity, and Bethel (House of God) shall come to nothing.
So, it seems that "וּכְסִ֣ילֵיהֶ֔ם" H3685 ( literally Fools, plural ) is a good Hebrew name for constellations in general because Jewish people were not encouraged to put their faith in astrological signs.
What if the word was used as the 'Joker/Trickster' in Hebraic Astrology, as we find in Job; we can see the word isn't pluralized there, the idea people have used the word as constellations could be a later language evolution.

In the Yoruba religion, which has a similar creation story, of a Divine Being breathing mankind into life...

Eshu is the Trickster who wears a funny coloured hat, one side is white, one side is black; where people argue so much over the colour of the hat, they miss the contexts.

This is stated as a way to test mankind, and then the Divine Being comes back at the End of Time to see who passed (Eshu's brother is Ozain).

Eshu is said to sit at the Crossroads of time.

Just like Y-Eshu-a said in the Gospels, that it is like a man who goes on a Journey (Mark 13:34).

What if all of this is foretold in ancient stars stories, and divination misses these star story lines, that in ancient times were known.

Plus after Babylon, because some people are so argumentative, rather than realize God is One, and inspired Nebuchadnezzar with such knowledge of Star Alignment, so advanced he quit listening to his own astrologers for our people's knowledge (Daniel 2)

The Rabbi since then have messed everyone's head up, as they've gone against wisdom globally (Revelation 10:11), to make up their own texts (Rabbinic Judaism, Muhammadanism, Christianity - Ezekiel 22:3).

Take into account the Fire & Brimstone comes in Ezekiel 22:19-22, and it is me the Messiah warning our people on Religious Forums with teachings of peace; whereas Emperor Trump is on Twitter about to destroy humanity.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
In Isaiah 13:10 it states that the sun to be darkened is the constellation Orion, which according to mainstream media will soon go supernova; which fits the prophecies where the fire will burn our faces in that day (Isaiah 13:8).

The debate is do we realize we have little time left before Judgement Day, and then after the Messianic Age?

Thanks, I had not noticed it could be speaking of Orion. Why do you think it is translated in plural?

I think it is speaking of many stars and about sun and moon. That is why one possible supernova is not yet fully what is in Isaiah 13:10.

And also, I think disciples of Jesus (Christian) should be always ready for final day and we have had little time about 2000 years already. Little is quite relative word. I believe we have still many years left, but even 1000 years can be a little time.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Thanks, I had not noticed it could be speaking of Orion. Why do you think it is translated in plural?
H3684 (כסיל) is the same word for "Fool/Joker", and thus guessing the constellation Orion (H3685) meant the same.

In Isaiah 13:10 it is a plural stating "we are Fools/Jokers" (כסיליהם) here before Judgement Day.

Thus when Yeshua said "do not call people Fools, else we will be in Danger of the Hell Fire", that is quite literal (Matthew 5:22) in the Baptism of Fire.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Careful Rabbinic Judaism have been set opposite on purpose since Babylon (Ezekiel 20:25); therefore there is a big difference between divination like horoscopes, and being precise with electional astrology: which is that God sets the movement of stars in the Heavens, and these are signs of the times.
Yes, electional astrology... thank you, I didn't know this name before... electional astrology is the opposite of what IbnEzra is describing. He is cautioning against using astrology to avoid the negative. Electional Astrology is used to encourage the positive. IbnEzra is advocating faith in G-d as a form of protection from the foreboding signs in the stars, planets, and moons.

Applying this to the concern of a supernova, or any other celestial catastrophic event, the prescription is faith in G-d. I would expect that you would agree that faith in G-d is an appropriate response?
The Rabbi since then have messed everyone's head up, as they've gone against wisdom globally
The Rabbis you speak of is a large group, and one of the outliers, IMHO, is IbnEzra. That's one reason that I like him. I think you would like him too. Finding these outliers among the Torah scholars/commentators is like a treasure hunt. It takes effort and optimism to find the gems among the others, but it's totally worth it.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It takes effort and optimism to find the gems among the others, but it's totally worth it.
It is far easier looking in a diamond store for diamonds, than in the trash - Sorry.

I can't read Rabbinic stuff (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29); I tried reading IbnEzra Wikipedia, and got offended so many times, I had to stop at the outrage.
I would expect that you would agree that faith in G-d is an appropriate response?
The Source of reality gives us Signs and Wonders, which the whole Tanakh is about that, and then the Rabbi ignore them aspects; whilst hyperbolizing every historical & grammatical aspect, whilst missing context of what is prophesied to happen.

They claim they're not doing witchcraft, and then create Kabbalah and Leviticus... Pharmaceuticals (Pharmakia).

They claim they don't do astrology; yet then live by a lunar calendar, and astrological dates.

Whilst they claim exclusivity, pretending they're not like all the other religions; yet in doing so by being exclusive literally causing WW3, by causing more division in the world according to prophecy.

Rabbinic Judaism has taught the world not to accept prophecy as real, and not to accept the Messiah's first coming; even though that is literally what the Tanakh is about.

...To be long winded to get to the point:

The astrological events of our reality are placed by Source, our life's are a series of events where everything is sequenced; if we're in a state of awareness, and the Source is bringing us to consciousness of it all being Oneness.

The Quran and NT both try to correct Rabbinic Judaism into understanding the Source used Stars for Signs; not as some Fortune Cookie.

Do you see the difference, the Rabbi argue against what Source has placed, as they know more; rather than being humble servants, asking if it is from the Source by its specifications.

Since we can show Saoshyant prophecies about the star as a sign in the sky, and the wise-men fulfilled that; with this fitting with ideas in the Tanakh (Genesis 49:10 = Genesis 49:18).

Like in terms of being observant of sequence of astrological events: we have Hindu texts established the reason for the prophecies.
Zoroastrian texts explained the reasoning behind the corruption globally.
The Tanakh established precedents, saying the people will go opposite to it (Deuteronomy 31:24-29).
The Quran then explains the establishment of a false demagoguery on earth, by the false teachings we're still under.

All them ancient religions respected star alignment; there used to be a time where we lived precisely in harmony with nature, and now we have arrogant Babylonians, who do not care about timing of foretold events.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It is far easier looking in a diamond store for diamonds, than in the trash - Sorry.

I can't read Rabbinic stuff (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29); I tried reading IbnEzra Wikipedia, and got offended so many times, I had to stop at the outrage.
I understand. I'm sorry, too, if it offended you. It's good to know so that I won't bring those sources in future discussions.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The Source of reality gives us Signs and Wonders, which the whole Tanakh is about that, and then the Rabbi ignore them aspects; whilst hyperbolizing every historical & grammatical aspect, whilst missing context of what is prophesied to happen.

They claim they're not doing witchcraft, and then create Kabbalah and Leviticus... Pharmaceuticals (Pharmakia).

They claim they don't do astrology; yet then live by a lunar calendar, and astrological dates.

Whilst they claim exclusivity, pretending they're not like all the other religions; yet in doing so by being exclusive literally causing WW3, by causing more division in the world according to prophecy.

Rabbinic Judaism has taught the world not to accept prophecy as real, and not to accept the Messiah's first coming; even though that is literally what the Tanakh is about.
I just want to point out, most Jewish people don't do any of these things. You're speaking about a very small minority.
The astrological events of our reality are placed by Source, our life's are a series of events where everything is sequenced; if we're in a state of awareness, and the Source is bringing us to consciousness of it all being Oneness.

The Quran and NT both try to correct Rabbinic Judaism into understanding the Source used Stars for Signs; not as some Fortune Cookie.

Do you see the difference, the Rabbi argue against what Source has placed, as they know more; rather than being humble servants, asking if it is from the Source by its specifications.

Since we can show Saoshyant prophecies about the star as a sign in the sky, and the wise-men fulfilled that; with this fitting with ideas in the Tanakh (Genesis 49:10 = Genesis 49:18).

Like in terms of being observant of sequence of astrological events: we have Hindu texts established the reason for the prophecies.
Zoroastrian texts explained the reasoning behind the corruption globally.
The Tanakh established precedents, saying the people will go opposite to it (Deuteronomy 31:24-29).
The Quran then explains the establishment of a false demagoguery on earth, by the false teachings we're still under.

All them ancient religions respected star alignment; there used to be a time where we lived precisely in harmony with nature, and now we have arrogant Babylonians, who do not care about timing of foretold events.
It's not a simple problem, my friend... even if it seems simple to you.
The solution isn't simple either... even if it seems simple to you.

However, I always appreciate our conversations, even if they are above and beyond me. I'll def check out the references to Genesis and Deuteronomy that you provided.

Thank you,
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It's good to know so that I won't bring those sources in future discussions.
Sorry don't want to come across stroppy, and try to question everything unbiasly; it is just I find the Rabbi have been taught to think illogically, as they seem to think they're right, before questioning other more logical steps are wrong first.

This is entirely understandable, when we realize Yeshua is part of the Source of reality, and so if they go opposite to wisdom, they're bound to be upside down.
I just want to point out, most Jewish people don't do any of these things.
I'm not blaming Jews for lying to our people (Zechariah 11:15-17), we are assigning the false leaders (Ezekiel 34), who've made the religion about themselves, rather than the Divine Beings (Elohim) sent by the Source of reality.

We should take into account the Rabbi murdered Judah two thousand years ago for not listening, and now they're about to murder humanity; yet our people still blindly follow them, rather than all the prophets as One.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Sorry don't want to come across stroppy, and try to question everything unbiasly; it is just I find the Rabbi have been taught to think illogically, as they seem to think they're right, before questioning other more logical steps are wrong first.

This is entirely understandable, when we realize Yeshua is part of the Source of reality, and so if they go opposite to wisdom, they're bound to be upside down.
No problem at all... seriously. My only objection is: the statement without qualification is slightly inaccurate. Yes, there is plenty of ill-logic, no doubt. But there are also luminaries out there. Perhaps they are less overt and obvious. That's all I'm saying.
I'm not blaming Jews for lying to our people (Zechariah 11:15-17), we are assigning the false leaders (Ezekiel 34), who've made the religion about themselves, rather than the Divine Beings (Elohim) sent by the Source of reality.

We should take into account the Rabbi murdered Judah two thousand years ago for not listening, and now they're about to murder humanity; yet our people still blindly follow them, rather than all the prophets as One.

In my opinion. :innocent:
I don't know this story about Judah, I'm sorry to say. But I would suspect that it would be more accurate to say "some Rabbis" instead of implying "all Rabbis" without qualification.

But like I said, I am ignorant of the specifics...
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
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I don't know this story about Judah, I'm sorry to say. But I would suspect that it would be more accurate to say "some Rabbis" instead of implying "all Rabbis" without qualification.
Rabbinic Judaism started with the Pharisees, which existed soon after Babylon; they are not Jews according to Yeshua, and they've taken over the Israelite religion with their own doctrines.

Thus ultimately since Moses's Curse has been placed on mankind because of their doctrines, the whole is automatically assigned as accountable.

There maybe Rabbi among them, that do not ascribe to all ideals; yet they've still openly admitted to rejecting the Bible, by their belief outside of the doctrine originally ascribed within it.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

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There maybe Rabbi among them, that do not ascribe to all ideals; yet they've still openly admitted to rejecting the Bible, by their belief outside of the doctrine originally ascribed within it.
"The Bible" is Christian. No self respecting Rabbi will accept it because it contradicts The Torah. Expecting a Rabbi to accept Christian doctrine in the The Bible is ill-logic. I don't see a problem here.
 

wizanda

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"The Bible" is Christian. No self respecting Rabbi will accept it because it contradicts The Torah. Expecting a Rabbi to accept Christian doctrine in the The Bible is ill-logic. I don't see a problem here.
We are inside a reality created by Source, even that mentality is so limited from their thinking, we don't realize the reality is all the Word, everything is code in the Matrix for a reason (Logic).

Lets dissect Christianity (John, Paul, and Simon): it is a fabricated Pharisaic 'Beast' following the fake "jesus" (יסס - Isaiah 51:8); instead of the real Yehoshua (King David)/Yeshua (H3444) in the Synoptic Gospels.

The idea the New Testament can be seen to be purposely made up, as a systematic morality IQ test by Jewish writers, and then to be rejected by the Babylonian Rabbi is insane to be blunt (Ezekiel 22:3); which is why Mankind will soon be washed in Fire due to their prophesied error (Deuteronomy 32:15-22, Deuteronomy 29:19-27).

The Rabbi (Pharisees) have tried to cheat God by making up Christianity, Islam tried to warn them they've been caught; these prophecies show Judgement comes, and they still think they've won by setting up the Gentiles as well (Isaiah 29:20-21). :oops:

As Zion/Christendom start the Apocalypse against Muhammadanism, 2/3's of mankind shall be removed from reality, for all failing the IQ morality test in the world's religious texts.

The Saints have already been removed from here; I'm only sent here into the Matrix as a reminder that they have set everyone up.

I wish you the best, as the internet will disappear at some point from this supernova. :(

The idea people globally don't ask for all details of the case from the religious texts, from the Messiah before Judgement Day is profound to us (Quran 43:60-77).

Guess people don't realize they're all on death row awaiting execution, according to the religious texts globally, with only wisdom & unconditional love being the Way out.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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