Poor Alex Jones . . . and the case has not even gone to trial yet:

Subduction Zone · Jan 3, 2020

In one day Alex Jones was ordered to pay more than $100,000.00 and the case has not even gone to court yet:

Alex Jones Has to Pay $100K in Sandy Hook Legal Fees

"A Texas judge has ordered Alex Jones and his InfoWars hoax website to pay more than $100,000 in court costs and legal fees, marking the latest court victory for a Sandy Hook family suing Jones for his promotion of conspiracy theories about the 2012 shooting."

Helpful hint, if the court orders one to provide certain documents, it is generally a good idea to provide those documents.

Couldn't happen to a nice guy!

McBell · Jan 3, 2020

I am honestly surprised he was able to walk into the court room with both his feet down his throat.
Seriously, the guy simply does not know when to stop talking.

McBell · Jan 3, 2020

Talking with a group of people waiting their turn at dialysis, I suggested that since he was looking for likes and shares he should have to pay $1000 for the likes on his 'direct' words, $500 for each like on all the first shared ones, $250 for each second teir share like, $100 for each third, fourth, fifth....

Perhaps then he would be a bit more mindful of what he says.

Subduction Zone · Jan 4, 2020

Mestemia said:
Talking with a group of people waiting their turn at dialysis, I suggested that since he was looking for likes and shares he should have to pay $1000 for the likes on his 'direct' words, $500 for each like on all the first shared ones, $250 for each second teir share like, $100 for each third, fourth, fifth....

Perhaps then he would be a bit more mindful of what he says.

It is going to be an interesting case. It is in many ways the first of its kind. Please note that these are procedural fines that Alex owes because he refused to turn over evidence when ordered. Win or lose he still has to pay these fines.

sun rise · Jan 4, 2020

He must think he's Trump

SigurdReginson · Jan 4, 2020

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

stvdv · Jan 4, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
In one day Alex Jones was ordered to pay more than $100,000.00 and the case has not even gone to court yet:

I don't know this man.

But it feels very bad that a judge destroys a human, by making him pay such an amount of money.
I do believe in "Law of Karma". Maybe this man destroyed others, and we know "karma is a bitsj"
But still, I think it is crazy that the government makes people pay such huge amounts of money

The world has gone totally crazy. USA on top. All the shootings in schools etc. And mean lawyers etc.
All seems to spiral out of control. Even I can see this craziness from USA flying over to Holland now.

QuestioningMind · Jan 4, 2020

stvdv said:
I don't know this man.

But it feels very bad that a judge destroys a human, by making him pay such an amount of money.
I do believe in "Law of Karma". Maybe this man destroyed others, and we know "karma is a bitsj"
But still, I think it is crazy that the government makes people pay such huge amounts of money

The world has gone totally crazy. USA on top. All the shootings in schools etc. And mean lawyers etc.
All seems to spiral out of control. Even I can see this craziness from USA flying over to Holland now.

Really? Jones made millions off of blatantly lying about and demonizing a group of victims of an awful crime and you think it's 'very bad' that a judge is making him pay some fines for refusing to turn over documents in court? How would you suggest that the government punish him for his crimes?

Subduction Zone · Jan 4, 2020

stvdv said:
I don't know this man.

But it feels very bad that a judge destroys a human, by making him pay such an amount of money.
I do believe in "Law of Karma". Maybe this man destroyed others, and we know "karma is a bitsj"
But still, I think it is crazy that the government makes people pay such huge amounts of money

The world has gone totally crazy. USA on top. All the shootings in schools etc. And mean lawyers etc.
All seems to spiral out of control. Even I can see this craziness from USA flying over to Holland now.

He brought this on himself. He was ordered to produce records for an upcoming court case and he did not do so. He has a fair amount of money so this is not devastating for him. The judge could have had him locked up for this. How would you have handled it?

McBell · Jan 4, 2020

QuestioningMind said:
Really? Jones made millions off of blatantly lying about and demonizing a group of victims of an awful crime and you think it's 'very bad' that a judge is making him pay some fines for refusing to turn over documents in court? How would you suggest that the government punish him for his crimes?

Not to mention he openly encouraged people to harass the victims families

pearl · Jan 4, 2020

Mestemia said:
Seriously, the guy simply does not know when to stop talking.

Reminds me of Rudy Giuliani, has the same problem.

stvdv · Jan 4, 2020

QuestioningMind said:
Really? Jones made millions off of blatantly lying about and demonizing a group of victims of an awful crime and you think it's 'very bad' that a judge is making him pay some fines for refusing to turn over documents in court? How would you suggest that the government punish him for his crimes?

Thanks for the update. If he is that bad as you describe, then he had it coming. Karma indeed is his bitsj then, it seems

stvdv · Jan 4, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
He brought this on himself. He was ordered to produce records for an upcoming court case and he did not do so. He has a fair amount of money so this is not devastating for him. The judge could have had him locked up for this. How would you have handled it?

Yes, @QuestioningMind gave me an update that he really abused "free speech". How I would have handled it? I would probably have given him a fair choice. a)Give back the millions he got by lying or b)Cut out his tongue, so he will never lie again

(but people would never vote for me to become judge of course; even I would not vote for myself).
(Jones made millions off of blatantly lying about and demonizing a group of victims of an awful crime and you think it's 'very bad' that a judge is making him pay some fines for refusing to turn over documents in court? )

stvdv · Jan 4, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
He brought this on himself.

Your title "poor Alex Jones and the case has not even gone to trial yet", gave me the impression that you felt pity for the man. And when he is poor then 100.000 is a lot of money.

But now I am totally up to date. Gangster Alex Jones got off easy, by just having to pay 100.000 dollars.

Subduction Zone · Jan 4, 2020

stvdv said:
Your title "poor Alex Jones and the case has not even gone to trial yet", gave me the impression that you felt pity for the man. And when he is poor then 100.000 is a lot of money.

But now I am totally up to date. Gangster Alex Jones got off easy, by just having to pay 100.000 dollars.

He could still lose millions. As I said this case has not even gone to trial yet. That was a punishment from a judge because he did not follow court orders. And you are lucky not o know who he is. He is a rather popular internet entity. He has his own, show, I do not know if it was ever on cable. But he is a major conspiracy theorist and after a very tragic school shooting he claimed that it was all a hoax and urged his followers to go after the parents that he claimed were paid actors. That is what led to this lawsuit. Anyone that knows him would have known that I was being very facetious. He is the sort of worm that makes one wish he would just crawl back under the rock that he came out of.

stvdv · Jan 5, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
He could still lose millions. As I said this case has not even gone to trial yet. That was a punishment from a judge because he did not follow court orders. And you are lucky not o know who he is

But good I know the context now, I won't lose my sleep, knowing he has to pay lots of money

Subduction Zone said:
He could still lose millions. As I said this case has not even gone to trial yet. That was a punishment from a judge because he did not follow court orders.

Still, I think making someone pay 100.000 for not follow court order is too much. Should there be difference in 'price to pay' for ignoring red lights when you are a millionaire or not? That gives out a bad signal IMO; kind of discrimination, government taking advantage of their position of power. Of course he deserves punishment, but the reason given seems wrong. All should, IMO, have to pay same amount for not follow court order to bring in some paper work.

Knowing he is a very bad guy, I understand a judge likes to make him pay. But then call it "emotional rape of the victims" he has to pay for (which might happen anyway later on).

So I understand the judge uses in this case his power to punish him. I hate injustice, so I even feel kind of happy the judge did, but it would feel better if it were named different. But I understand that Law is too tricky, so this was probably the only thing the judge could do, because sadly criminals are too much protected by Law and Lawyers defending them (even using tricks or even lies to get it done, even to get murderers and rapists free, which is a very sick flaw in the system IMO)

stvdv · Jan 5, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
But he is a major conspiracy theorist and after a very tragic school shooting he claimed that it was all a hoax and urged his followers to go after the parents that he claimed were paid actors. That is what led to this lawsuit.

Sadly some crooks abuse our great "Freedom of Speech"

Subduction Zone said:
Anyone that knows him would have known that I was being very facetious

I learn a new word here. Fits exactly here, I can say now, after knowing more details

Subduction Zone said:
He is the sort of worm that makes one wish he would just crawl back under the rock that he came out of.

After the system is done with him, this might be the case. Although it surprises me that the system lets some top criminals get away with stuff while the ones without top lawyers get fully charged. Another flaw in the system IMO. Power of Lawyers (using sneakyness and lies to get real criminals free is a black stain on the system IMO). But what to do, when there is so much crookedness in the world the good ones get caught in the process once in a while

Subduction Zone · Jan 5, 2020

stvdv said:
But good I know the context now, I won't lose my sleep, knowing he has to pay lots of money

Still, I think making someone pay 100.000 for not follow court order is too much. Should there be difference in 'price to pay' for ignoring red lights when you are a millionaire or not? That gives out a bad signal IMO; kind of discrimination, government taking advantage of their position of power. Of course he deserves punishment, but the reason given seems wrong. All should, IMO, have to pay same amount for not follow court order to bring in some paper work.

Knowing he is a very bad guy, I understand a judge likes to make him pay. But then call it "emotional rape of the victims" he has to pay for (which might happen anyway later on).

So I understand the judge uses in this case his power to punish him. I hate injustice, so I even feel kind of happy the judge did, but it would feel better if it were named different. But I understand that Law is too tricky, so this was probably the only thing the judge could do, because sadly criminals are too much protected by Law and Lawyers defending them (even using tricks or even lies to get it done, even to get murderers and rapists free, which is a very sick flaw in the system IMO)

I have to disagree with you on fines. Should a rich person feel free to run red lights simply because to him it may cost him a fine that is equal to a quarter to you? A judge will often punish someone based on their ability to pay. A fine should hurt, but it should not ruin someone. For Alex Jones a thousand dollar fine would be a very minor pain. He probably has spent that much going out for dinner.

stvdv · Jan 5, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
I have to disagree with you on fines. Should a rich person feel free to run red lights simply because to him it may cost him a fine that is equal to a quarter to you? A judge will often punish someone based on their ability to pay. A fine should hurt, but it should not ruin someone. For Alex Jones a thousand dollar fine would be a very minor pain. He probably has spent that much going out for dinner.

In Finland (Europe) a rich man speeding a little too much might get a 50.000 euro ticket, whereas I would maybe get a 2 euro fine (I am very poor

)
Of course I am happy with such a rule, as I won't have to pay much
But I think it is not correct

The adharmic part in this is that it's a trick of the government to earn lots of extra money. That is the sick part of it IMO.

I do understand your POV that rich people also need motivation not to make the mistake again.
USA is different country than Holland. We own no guns, hardly any killings. Just less criminals.
I think you are right that in USA your system is better and needed.
Holland is still peaceful, we don't need it yet.

(in Holland you do lose drivers license when making mistake too often; rich and poor alike. Hurts the rich more; I don't own a car

).

Poor Alex Jones . . . and the case has not even gone to trial yet:

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