What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

IndigoChild5559 said:

I just find it hillarious that you choose as "your choice" one of the great many many errors of the JW's.

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It was William Miller, which became the SDA branch of Christianity. There are others but the JW reinterpreted the date and do not use 1844 any more.

I am glad my choices gives you much joy.

IndigoChild5559 said:

So? And when Jesus didn't come then, the JW's went on to propose umpteen other dates that were equally false. It's hilarious. And very sad that you actually use one of their failures as a source to back yourselves up with.

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It did happen though, it was the dawn of the awaited Messiah.

Regards Tony

loverofhumanity said:

It’s interesting that in His Book of Certitude which it is said ‘broke the seals’ of the Book, Baha’u’llah interprets word for word most of that very passage. That is why I am absolutely convinced that He has returned.
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Baha’u’llah seems to be in contradiction with the Bible, and I rather be loyal to Bible God and to the teachings in the Bible.

1213 said:

Baha’u’llah seems to be in contradiction with the Bible, and I rather be loyal to Bible God and to the teachings in the Bible.

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That perfectly fine and a great stance to take 1213, we must make up our own minds.

It is good to consider that is also what the Jews would offer about Jesus the Christ and why they still do not see that Christ is part of the Old Testament.

Regards Tony

1213 said:

Baha’u’llah seems to be in contradiction with the Bible, and I rather be loyal to Bible God and to the teachings in the Bible.

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Baha’u’llah which translated into English means the ‘Glory of God’ and appears n many, many prophecies in the Bible.


How do you think Christ was rejected by the Jews? They claimed that Jesus broke the laws of Moses and so according to their own scriptures was a phony messiah. Were they right? It took many centuries for the truth to come out but it is clear now Christ was the messiah.

Today people will say the same things about Baha’u’llah but in time the truth will come out and blessed are those who believe when no one else does like the disciples.

loverofhumanity said:

...Today people will say the same things about Baha’u’llah but in time the truth will come out and blessed are those who believe when no one else does like the disciples.

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Baha’u’llah is in no way Biblical and doesn’t fit to the Biblical announcement. So, could you tell why should anyone receive Baha’u’llah? Why have you received him and why lift him to same category with Jesus?

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

...It is good to consider that is also what the Jews would offer about Jesus the Christ and why they still do not see that Christ is part of the Old Testament...

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Unfortunate thing about Jews rejecting Jesus is that their decision is based on false information. They really don’t seem to know what the Bible tells and make their decision by “Christian” doctrine, not by what Jesus said. Other unfortunate thing is that “Christian” follow doctrines of men, not the teachings of Jesus and are like the pharisees about 2000 years ago.

1213 said:

Baha’u’llah is in no way Biblical and doesn’t fit to the Biblical announcement. So, could you tell why should anyone receive Baha’u’llah? Why have you received him and why lift him to same category with Jesus?

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When Jesus first appeared the Pharisees said the same thing that He did not fulfil their prophecies in the Torah regarding the Messiah.So scriptures can be used to both reject and accept. What made the disciples accept Jesus? It was the Person, life and teachings of Jesus and their purity of heart that led them to believe in Him.

And this was handed down through the Bible and the pure hearted accepted Him as purity of heart is the quality necessary to ‘see God’ as He said ‘ Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God’. So even though people of today never met Jesus, their purity of heart can confirm for them that He was indeed the Messiah with the Gospels a further confirmation.

The same with Baha’u’llah. His Life and Person and teachings that have been passed down have enabled the pure in heart to recognise that He was Christ returned in the glory of the Father. Just like your heart can not deny that Jesus is true so too my heart can not deny the truth of Baha’u’llah. Non Christians will say you are wrong but you know in your heart that Jesus was true. Likewise non Baha’is can say Baha’u’llah is not true but I know in my heart He is.

Just as Christ came in the station of the Son, Baha’u’llah came in the station of the Father and brought the Kingdom of God with Him as promised in the Lord’s Prayer.


So we both believe in Jesus, the difference between us being that you have only accepted His first coming while I accept both His first coming and also when He returned in the glory of the Father - Baha’u’llah.

Of course like the Jews rejected Christ citing their scriptures you too also are free to reject Baha’u’llah citing your scriptures. That didn’t make them right and also doesn't make you right

But the Jews rejection of Christ didn’t stop humanity from accepting Jesus just as rejection of Baha’u’llah won’t stop the world from accepting Him.

All that happened was that the Jews got left behind. So too those who reject Baha’u’llah will just get left behind because God endowed man with free will to accept or reject Him.

Im glad I searched deeply into Who Baha’u’llah is because that has given me the bounty of being among the early ones who have accepted Christ’s second coming. If I only accepted His first coming and rejected Him when He returned then I would have shown myself to have been unfaithful to Him and as I really love Jesus with all my heart I cannot betray Him and not to accept Baha’u’llah to me personally would be unfaithfulness to Jesus as I believe He foretold Baha’u’llah.

IndigoChild5559 said:

So? And when Jesus didn't come then, the JW's went on to propose umpteen other dates that were equally false. It's hilarious. And very sad that you actually use one of their failures as a source to back yourselves up with.

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They are not my calculations. I have my own reasons for not believing them. But so far, I haven't heard any Christian or Jew refute those calculations. And, since they come from Daniel, I would think that Jews would have an interpretation of what they mean and what date they point to.

1213 said:

Unfortunate thing about Jews rejecting Jesus is that their decision is based on false information. They really don’t seem to know what the Bible tells and make their decision by “Christian” doctrine, not by what Jesus said. Other unfortunate thing is that “Christian” follow doctrines of men, not the teachings of Jesus and are like the pharisees about 2000 years ago.

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Baha'is can say the same thing about Christians. Do the calculations from the prophecies in Daniel add up to 1844? They interpret Revelations as saying that the Two Witnesses are Muhammad and Ali. They also say that the Three Woes are Muhammad, The Bab, and Baha'u'llah. At least one of them has said that the "Lamb that was slain" in Revelation is not Jesus but is The Bab.

Jerusalem and the Mt. of Olives are the focus of Christian beliefs about the second coming. For Baha'is, Mt. Carmel becomes the focus. The big one, Jesus is dead. Only in Spirit did he rise. Therefore, it is not the physical Jesus people should be looking for to return, but a "Christ", an anointed one coming with a new name and coming from the East. But, yet another problem. They say that Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah were all "Christs". So, for a Christian, they shouldn't have been thinking of it as a "Second Coming". There are three "Christs" since Jesus. And, if the Baha'i interpretations are right, then Christians have missed all three.

Is this even possible? So, for Christian, what should the Second Coming look like?

1213 said:

Baha’u’llah is in no way Biblical and doesn’t fit to the Biblical announcement. So, could you tell why should anyone receive Baha’u’llah? Why have you received him and why lift him to same category with Jesus?

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Baha'u'llah was announced in the Bible but He is not part of the Biblical dispensation since He did not come into the world until the mid-19th century, at which time the old age came to an end.

Matthew 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come..

Baha'is believe that the Bab and Baha'u'llah ushered in a whole new age. All Biblical scholars agreed that the gospel had been preached in all the world by the mid- 19th century.

Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah is in the same category as Jesus because we believe they were both Manifestations of God, and we do not elevate any of those Manifestations over any others, since they were all sent by the one true God and they all had a mission that was part of the divine purpose.

Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah came to finish the work that Jesus started. The Kingdom of God could not be built back in the days of Jesus because humanity and the world were not ready for that yet. That is why Jesus said:

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jesus prepared the way so the Kingdom of God could be built on earth. Had Jesus not laid the foundation, the building could never be built. That is why the mission of Jesus was more vital to humanity than the mission of any other Manifestation of God who preceded Baha'u'llah.

It is certainly not as if the mission of Baha'u'llah was more important than the mission of Jesus. How can any building stand without a foundation? However, a foundation without a house is not very useful. Someone had to complete the work of Jesus, and clearly it was not going to be Jesus, since he said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Trailblazer said:

..All Biblical scholars agreed that the gospel had been preached in all the world by the mid- 19th century.

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I disagree with them. Perhaps it could be said that the Church doctrine has been preached, but even in western countries I don’t think the message of Jesus has really been yet preached correctly, as it is in the Bible. There is so much false, unbiblical, teaching.

Trailblazer said:

..Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah is in the same category as Jesus because we believe they were both Manifestations of God…

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Bible tells Jesus is the image of God, and temple of God. I think it is not same as manifestation.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works.
John 14:10

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews therefore said, "Forty-six years was this temple in building, and will you raise it up in three days?" But he spoke of the temple of his body.
John 2:19-21

in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Colossians 1:14

Trailblazer said:

..Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah came to finish the work that Jesus started. The Kingdom of God could not be built back in the days of Jesus because humanity and the world were not ready for that yet.

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I disagree with that. Jesus established God’s kingdom and it is in the disciples of Jesus. And it has existed since Jesus was on earth. if one tries to build something else, it is not the same.

Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn't be delivered to the Jews. But now my kingdom is not from here."
John 18:36

"The Kingdom of God doesn't come with observation; neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:20-21

Jesus answered him, "Most assuredly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most assuredly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God! That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don't marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.'
John 3:3-7

"Therefore don't be anxious, saying, 'What will we eat?', 'What will we drink?' or, 'With what will we be clothed?' For the Gentiles seek after all these things, for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first God's Kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things will be given to you as well.
Matthew 6:31-33

But thank you, I think you confirmed that Jesus is not from same source.

CG Didymus said:

...The big one, Jesus is dead. Only in Spirit did he rise. Therefore, it is not the physical Jesus people should be looking for to return, ...

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Bible tells Jesus rose bodily.

loverofhumanity said:

When Jesus first appeared the Pharisees said the same thing that He did not fulfil their prophecies in the Torah regarding the Messiah.So scriptures can be used to both reject and accept. What made the disciples accept Jesus? It was the Person, life and teachings of Jesus and their purity of heart that led them to believe in Him.

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I disagree with you. The scriptures in the Bible can’t be used for both, if they are all noticed. Jesus was not in contradiction with OT, that is why his disciples didn’t reject him.

loverofhumanity said:

Non Christians will say you are wrong but you know in your heart that Jesus was true.

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I know what the Bible tells and I know that those who try to use scriptures against Jesus either don’t know what is said, or intentionally lie.

1213 said:

Bible tells Jesus rose bodily.

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Yes, so what will the Second Coming look like? There's verses that say the "Lamb" or the "Lamb that was slain" or the "one whom they pierced" or even some verses say the name "Jesus". The verse I put out there a lot is that there will be wars and rumors of wars, but that is not yet the end. There are still wars going on. But the tribulations like the world has never seen... have not happened yet. A beast that has people get his mark or number in order to be able to buy and sell, for me, hasn't happened yet. So how about for you, as a Christian, what exactly are you looking for? Then let's see how the Baha'is interpret those things.

1213 said:

But thank you, I think you confirmed that Jesus is not from same source.

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I will take that to mean that you believe that Jesus is from God and Baha'u'llah is not from God.
If that is what you are saying, I disagree, because I believe they are both from the one true God.
However, you have just as much of a right to your beliefs as I have to mine and I do not want to argue.

1213 said:

Bible tells Jesus is the image of God, and temple of God. I think it is not same as manifestation.

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A Manifestation of God is a perfect mirror image of God.
Jesus perfectly reflected God, like an image in a mirror.
Jesus could not be God, because an image by definition is separate from the entity that it reflects.

1213 said:

I know what the Bible tells and I know that those who try to use scriptures against Jesus either don’t know what is said, or intentionally lie.

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The Bible does not talk so the Bible does not "say" anything.
Rather, people read the Bible and interpret verses as they read, assigning various meanings to verses.
All Christians do not agree what these verses mean and that is one reason there are so many sects of Christianity.

CG Didymus said:

Yes, so what will the Second Coming look like? ... ...So how about for you, as a Christian, what exactly are you looking for? Then let's see how the Baha'is interpret those things.

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I am expecting that before Jesus comes, disciples of Jesus are persecuted and there will be difficult times. I have no need to make own additions for what the Bible tells.

Trailblazer said:

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Rather, people read the Bible and interpret verses as they read, assigning various meanings to verses.
All Christians do not agree what these verses mean and that is one reason there are so many sects of Christianity.

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I think it would be better, if people would not make own interpretations, but instead let the Bible explain what is means. The reason for all the divisions is that people take only small part of the whole and then make own interpretations. It is really sad that "Christian" are not loyal to Jesus and God.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

It was William Miller, which became the SDA branch of Christianity. There are others but the JW reinterpreted the date and do not use 1844 any more.

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Has any Christian come forward to refute William Miller's calculations? But, I have a question for you, California and Australia are burning up. Is this the tribulations? Are things going to all fall apart? Problem is... it still fits the Christian prophecies. They can say that all these bad things happen before the Second Coming. Baha'is have to show how bad things happened before Baha'u'llah, and now, since he was rejected, more bad things are going to happen.