Shad
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I think I will just leave it, still makes no sense to me
You need to reorder the argument. The sentence structure is a sloppy.
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Is this logical?
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You need to reorder the argument. The sentence structure is a sloppy.
Trailblazer
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There are no stats.
Shad
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Ergo there is no ability to determine chance as I said. Chance being another word for probability.
Think of craps as in the dice game. 7 has a high probability as a roll as there are more combinations of numbers between the two dice that equal 7; 1+6, 2+5, etc. Compared to say 12 which requires both dice to show 6s.
Nimos
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Ok, Im not native english speaking, so I prefer things being written clearly
Trailblazer
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Sorry that was so confusing. I later explained what that OP means.I think I will just leave it, still makes no sense to me
There is no evidence that God has ever communicated directly to everyone, thus it is known that God (if God exists) has never communicated directly to everyone; but just because it is known that God (if God exists) has never communicated directly to everyone that does not mean that if God existed God would not communicate directly to everyone.
That is essentially what the atheist in the OP is stating. I was asking people on this forum if they considered that logical or illogical.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Yes. Quite right. Many will eventually get some subtle things, or for some believers already in total faith even visions or dreams perhaps, but as I understand the primary goal here in this temporary life is for us to gain faith and develop faith, through following Christ, through doing as He says, loving others, which means I think that easy evidence must generally be missing (since it would preclude faith, and that matters since faith itself is the main goal).Again, it all depends upon what you mean by communicate.
Shad
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Ok, Im not native english speaking, so I prefer things being written clearly
Take a look at this post linked below. It may make more sense to you. The part of the post in red specifically
Is this logical?
Nimos
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What you wrote (Shad) in the link, is also how I understood it. But I still don't see why the afterlife have to be drawn into this or how it is relevant for what the person is saying and it being logical or not
Etritonakin
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Rom1:19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Every THING IS GOD (I AM THAT AM) communicating DIRECTLY TO EVERY ONE.
It is not clear to us immediately because he is that which has always been, is and will be (developing) -and we are new.
It SEEMS indirect because God does not personally address YOU -Yet -but he will eventually.
Shad
Veteran Member
What you wrote (Shad) in the link, is also how I understood it. But I still don't see why the afterlife have to be drawn into this or how it is relevant for what the person is saying and it being logical or not
The afterlife has nothing to do with the point, it is not required nor relevant to the point being made.
Nimos
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Ok that might have confused me then
Based on what you wrote in the link, the only thing I would say in regards to what you wrote, is that you (OP) make it sound like God is saying that God communicate to some, just not all. But that this could change later on.
Trailblazer
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Please try to forget I ever mentioned the afterlife.What you wrote (Shad) in the link, is also how I understood it. But I still don't see why the afterlife have to be drawn into this or how it is relevant for what the person is saying and it being logical or not
Only one poster on this thread brought that into this discussion but it is not relevant to this discussion.
Shad
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Ok that might have confused me then
Based on what you wrote in the link, the only thing I would say in regards to what you wrote, is that you make it sound like God (OP) is saying that God communicate to some, just not all. But that this could change later on.
I didn't write it. I just thought it was make more sense as the structure is easier to read compared to the OP. However to your point I agree.
Heyo
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That was one of your premises, to evaluate the statement "as is".It is rational only if you do not consider any other factors.
Trailblazer
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You are close...Ok that might have confused me then
Based on what you wrote in the link, the only thing I would say in regards to what you wrote, is that you (OP) make it sound like God is saying that God communicate to some, just not all. But that this could change later on.
He never said that God has communicated to anyone. He was saying that God has never communicated directly to everyone but that does not mean that God would never communicate directly to everyone. That could change later on.
Trailblazer
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I think there are some ways to determine probability....
Take this example. I have been married for about 35 years and my husband has never gone out on me. What are the chances that my husband is going to suddenly decide to do that?
Likewise, God has never communicated directly to everyone since humanity came into existence seven million years ago. So what are the chances that God is going to suddenly decide to do that?
Sure, it is logically possible, but logic is not a good way to determine what God will do.
Trailblazer
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Okay, and yours was a valid response.
Trailblazer
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Speaking of faith being the goal, this is one of my favorite verses:
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
Heyo
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Putting logic aside and starting speculating/interpretating:You are close...
He never said that God has communicated to anyone. He was saying that God has never communicated directly to everyone but that does not mean that God would never communicate directly to everyone. That could change later on.
The atheist author of the original statement was conceeding that the absense of a clear message to everyone is not a valid argument for gods non existence. I agree.
You have found the hook in that statement yourself: if god started to communicate, it'd have a hell lot of 'splaing to do.
Trailblazer
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No, that is not what he was saying. He was saying that just because God has never been observed communicating to everyone, that does not mean God would not communicate directly to everyone if God existed.
I have been listening to this atheist for six years and he has never changed his argument. His argument is that the absence of direct communication to everyone is a valid argument for God's nonexistence. The presupposes that if God existed God would communicate directly to everyone, which I consider completely insane.
I made an exit from that forum tonight because I could not take the insanity anymore. He can play in his sand box with the other poster who is just as insane. I don't care.
That is true... God would have lots of splaining to do.