Shad
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There was never a Muslim ban. Read the EO and try again.
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NYC’s anti-Semitic spree
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There was never a Muslim ban. Read the EO and try again.
Well, at least one of the attacks was by a group called "Black Israelites". I doubt they are 'white' or "Trump supporters.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
You have just confirmed the problem. You are saying the idea of strong families is bad because of who is making the signs.
Or.
Free speech is bad because someone I don't agree with advocates for it.
Free speech is only good when *I* advocate for it.
OR;
Certain white supremacists make signs saying that strong families make strong nations.
Therefore, since white supremacists can't be right about ANYTHING, strong families are bad.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
'For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.'
So says the LORD to the house of Israel [Ezekiel 36].
Some Jews may have a stubborn attachment to the USA, but maybe the LORD has other plans.
Hanukkah stabbing: Federal hate crime charges filed against suspect
"At the Greenwood Lake, New York, home of suspect Grafton Thomas, investigators recovered journals which had anti-Semitic sentiments including references to Hitler and "Nazi Culture" "on the same page as drawings of a Star of David and a Swastika," according to the federal complaint.
The day of the machete attack, Thomas' phone was allegedly used to access an article titled: "New York City Increases Police Presence in Jewish Neighborhoods After Possible Anti-Semitic Attacks. Here's What To Know."
On Thomas' phone were searches including "Why did Hitler hate the Jews," according to the complaint. "
"At the Greenwood Lake, New York, home of suspect Grafton Thomas, investigators recovered journals which had anti-Semitic sentiments including references to Hitler and "Nazi Culture" "on the same page as drawings of a Star of David and a Swastika," according to the federal complaint.
The day of the machete attack, Thomas' phone was allegedly used to access an article titled: "New York City Increases Police Presence in Jewish Neighborhoods After Possible Anti-Semitic Attacks. Here's What To Know."
On Thomas' phone were searches including "Why did Hitler hate the Jews," according to the complaint. "
PureX
Veteran Member
Just clarifying your analogy. You say the state and the religion are not the same thing, and yet the state's actions certainly seem to be based on religious ideology. You say the state and the people are not the same thing, but every Israeli citizen participates in the state's military, and therefor personally participates in it's ongoing conquest of Palestinian owned lands. You say American Jews have nothing to do with Israeli Jews, but I never hear or see an American Jew condemning what the Jews in Israel are doing to the Palestinians.
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I have, but it's not all that common.
rosends
Well-Known Member
"Authorities also found references to "Hebrew Israelites" taking from "ebinoid Israelites," which the FBI said appeared to be a reference to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement. That movement is known for some members' extreme anti-Semitic beliefs."
Suspect in NY Hanukkah Stabbings Facing Federal Hate Crimes Charges
So, let's see...Hitler...swastikas...searches for synagogues...references to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement...
Why is no one connecting this to Israel?
Suspect in NY Hanukkah Stabbings Facing Federal Hate Crimes Charges
So, let's see...Hitler...swastikas...searches for synagogues...references to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement...
Why is no one connecting this to Israel?
shmogie
Well-Known Member
The attack was by a man with a machete, he did his evil and got away (later captured).
In Texas, a man with a shotgun killed 2 in a Baptist Church. Within 6 seconds of him firing, two armed congregants shot and killed him.
It is a sad reality that people of faith are more and more becoming targets.
The Police cannot be relied on for protection, there simply are not enough of them.
I would urge my Jewish friends to realize that only they can secure their Synagogues and meeting places, protect their people.
The model of many Christian Churches would be well to adopt. A trained and armed member of the congregation is present at all Church ( Synagogue ) functions when many folks will be present.
The crazies and haters target places where people gather and are a soft target. It is time to make the target very hard.
Tumah
Veteran Member
No you weren't. You were interjecting a point completely irrelevant to the question or response. No part of your point explained anything about how Judaism is passed or the religious nature of the state. Like your first comment in this thread, you're just using any occasion as irrelevant as it may be, as a platform to point a finger at Israel. Which is obviously kind of stupid.
That only shows how little you know about the state. The state is formed from many different parties, only some of which are ideologically religious (ie. there are some parties that don't promote a religious platform, but may have members who are privately religious and vise versa). There are three areas that the religious parties were able to take control of: conversion, marriage and one other which I forget. The rest are pretty much not. Transportation and construction on the Sabbath - forbidden by Jewish Law - in cities with major religious populations is a constant battle between the religious and secular elements of the government.
And let it be clear, of the 120 seats of the Knesset, only 20 of them are held by parties with a religious platform. That means, religious positions only make it into the government based on deals they can make when a major party is trying to form a government and needs them.
First of all, not every Israeli participates in the military. Second of all, the millitary hasn't conquered anything in decades. The last major military maneuver that wasn't a war, involved the army clearing out Israeli civilians from Gaza. Third of all, there's no ongoing conquest of Palestinian owned lands. At least not by any major political parties or government agencies.
Perhaps that's because American Jews generally agree with Israel's perspective?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
lol I'll be sure to tell that to Mizrahim, Sephardim and Beta Israel next time I am in Israel.
Also Hitlers ideas were not about White Supremacy, that's just Americans being too ignorant to understand anything outside of the bubble of their country.
The black community in the US in which Anti-Semitism is most prevalent is the Nation of Islam, which is about as African American as you can get.
But here you are putting the blame on African immigrants. lol
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Why? Were those attacked high ranking officials of the Israeli government?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
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And, again, a perfect example of being taken in by propaganda.
"Oh, you don't like the white supremacist ideology of the people who are making these leaflets about strong families? You must being against strong families then!"
Did you even read a word a wrote?
Answer me this question: when a WHITE SUPREMACIST advocates "strong families", what do you think they mean?
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
I don't know. I don't attend white supremacist meetings, and I don't buy into that ideology, though I've certainly been CALLED a white supremacist often enough (really funny, if you could see my family).
I take those signs at face value. Strong families make strong nations. That sentiment is true. It doesn't really matter what the intent underneath the sentiment is, or what THEY mean by 'strong families' vs. what I mean. What you are implying is that since white supremacists mean one thing by it, then of course anybody else who uses the phrase MUST MEAN the same thing. You are allowing them to steal our truths in the service of their lies.
The same thing was done with the swastika, you know. Before the Nazi's messed with it, for a couple of thousand years it was a symbol of peace, prosperity and fertility. There weren't any evil associations with it. My great grandmother made a quilt with the swastika symbol, that I have carefully stored in a chest. Certainly I dare not put it on a bed or display it!
Don't let evil people co-opt truth so that only they can use them. Strong families make strong nations. That is truth. Those five words have NOTHING to do with whatever skin color the families have. Or...to put it the way you did, it is not ME who has been 'taken in by propaganda,' but you, who have allowed those five words to symbolize white supremacy, when they absolutely do not.
And it doesn't matter one whit what THEY want us to think about it.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
I don't know. I don't attend white supremacist meetings, and I don't buy into that ideology, though I've certainly been CALLED a white supremacist often enough (really funny, if you could see my family).
I take those signs at face value. Strong families make strong nations. That sentiment is true. It doesn't really matter what the intent underneath the sentiment is, or what THEY mean by 'strong families' vs. what I mean. What you are implying is that since white supremacists mean one thing by it, then of course anybody else who uses the phrase MUST MEAN the same thing. You are allowing them to steal our truths in the service of their lies.
The same thing was done with the swastika, you know. Before the Nazi's messed with it, for a couple of thousand years it was a symbol of peace, prosperity and fertility. There weren't any evil associations with it. My great grandmother made a quilt with the swastika symbol, that I have carefully stored in a chest. Certainly I dare not put it on a bed or display it!
Don't let evil people co-opt truth so that only they can use them. Strong families make strong nations. That is truth. Those five words have NOTHING to do with whatever skin color the families have. Or...to put it the way you did, it is not ME who has been 'taken in by propaganda,' but you, who have allowed those five words to symbolize white supremacy, when they absolutely do not.
And it doesn't matter one whit what THEY want us to think about it.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Then you're a perfect target for propaganda.
That's not what I've said. But it is a fact that what a white supremacist means when they talk about "strong families" is "WHITE families". That's the point of the propaganda - lure people in with generalities, then allow the agenda to seep in under this heading.
Are you seriously unaware of this propaganda technique? It's fairly obvious.
That's the appropriation of a symbol. This isn't appropriation - it's just straight up propaganda. I've never said "strong families" are a bad thing - and that's the point. But what is MEANT by that phrase in this instance is not what I would mean when I think about strong families. They're using the general phrase to lure you into believing that they hold the same values as you - after-all, who doesn't agree that "strong families" are a good thing?
But when you ACTUALLY follow-up on what white supremacists believe about "strong families", you realize that's not what they actually mean. To them, "strong families" means "white families", and by tacitly endorsing their propaganda, you are tacitly endorsing that position.
It's not the words. It's the ideology BEHIND them. If the words were printed on a leaflet for, say, a charity promoting adoption, or a civil liberties institute, I wouldn't have the same issue.
Yes it does, because that's why they printed it.
Tell me, what possible reason could white supremacists have for printing these leaflets?
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Because they want people to think well of them.
Secondarily, they want the idea so tied to THEM that people like you see 'Strong families make strong nations' and automatically see 'white supremacy,' so that the whole idea of 'strong families make strong nations' is distasteful. They WANT you to associate the phrase with them.
So don't let them do that. I said very early on in this conversation that I agreed with the sign until I got to the last, fine print, where they referred to 'race,' at which time I got utterly 'turned off' their agenda. That is NOT me being a prime target for propaganda. That is me being clear eyed and able to see a concept for what it is, not for who proclaims it.
Strong families make strong nations. Frankly, given the problems African American families have...with the vast majority of their children being born outside of wedlock (71%) according to the Brookings Institute (a left leaning group) most of 'em not having good fathers to help raise them, "strong families make strong nations' should be part if THEIR world view.
The sentiment is positive, and true....and the point is NOT to allow those who misuse it to get away with doing so.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
By linking themselves to positive phrases while sneaking their ideology in.
This isn't complicated stuff.
That is literally the exact opposite of the truth. In fact, I explicitly and very clearly explained to you that's not what I've done in my previous post. Did you even read it?
I've never once said that phrase SHOULD is IS associated with white supremacy.
But you're wrong - you're not seeing the idea for what they are actually presenting it as. That's the whole point of propaganda - say something generally positive and accepted in order to sneak in a particular agenda. That's the point. To focus on the vaguery of "strong families" you're missing the actual point of what the white supremacists are actually advocating. You're falling for their trap.
I explained all of this very clearly in my previous posts. Why did you ignore it?
Whoah.
What exactly are you suggesting here? Because it sounds exactly like what the white supremacists are trying to push.
The sentiment of white families being superior is true?
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
No. The idea that STRONG families make strong nations is true. It is ALSO true that right now, African Americans are far more likely NOT to have 'strong families,' and they should.
That's not white supremacy and if you think so, you really are missing the point. The idea of strong families, to you, is so obviously tied to white supremacism that you are utterly ignoring the FACT that strong families are a good thing for everybody. Period.