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tytlyf

tytlyf

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Gerry said:
Since you appear to not know it, I will elaborate.
Jesus wanted us to DO UNTO OTHERS AS WE WOULD WANT DONE UNTO OURSELVES .
NOT doing EVIL unto others before they MAYBE do evil unto us.
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I'm not so sure evangelicals follow the bible. It's a strange christian denomination with talking snakes and speaking in tongues. Catholics follow the bible more closely than evangelicals.
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Concerning (Matt. 26:52), Jesus had already been telling His disciples that due to the rejection of Him by Israel, He was now destined for the Cross. This was a settled matter. The sword would do nothing to stop it.

Cncerning (Luke 22;38), these were the new instructions from Jesus that would serve the disciples once He was crucified. They were completely different then previous ones as He was present with them in Body and Spirit. Now He was leaving. Thus every man should have his own sword, for his protection. Not to necessarily further the Kingdom of God, but for their personal protection while Jesus is gone.

So, don't slip on that hogwash of yours.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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I've never heard such a bastardization of the history of Christianity as you have just put forth. You have other verses to support this "teaching" that you claim came from Jesus? He urged his followers to buy weapons to protect themselves? Can you support that with the teachings of the apostles? Back that up with early church fathers teachings that? Until you, I've never heard anyone say this is what Jesus taught his followers to do.
 
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Jeremiah Ames

Jeremiah Ames

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tytlyf said:
I'm not so sure evangelicals follow the bible. It's a strange christian denomination with talking snakes and speaking in tongues. Catholics follow the bible more closely than evangelicals.
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Boy, do I agree there. Possibly, atheists, who never look at a bible, follow it more closely.
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Concerning (Matt. 26:52), Jesus had already been telling His disciples that due to the rejection of Him by Israel, He was now destined for the Cross. This was a settled matter. The sword would do nothing to stop it.
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I missed this. Special post just for it. Let me quote the verse for you. "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword." It does not say, "you will die if you try to defend me, so put it away", which is what you'd like to think since you love guns and are trying to justify that contraction with bogus scripture citations. Note the word "all"? All who draw it, will die by it. This isn't situational.

Furthermore, nothing in Jesus's teaching support a "defend yourself with weaponry" claim. This is hogwash. It contradicts the very nature of Jesus that the scriptures present.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Mestemia said:
I was suspicious of the lack of info in the article posted in the OP I wanted to read up more about it.
I just did not expect to have to pull so many teeth to get it.

Now since we still have little info on the situation, I shall wait till more info becomes available instead of jumping on, your or the OPs, band wagon.
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Duh!
My bandwagon awaits a Grand Jury's decision.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Milton Platt said:
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You are plainly assuming that the most likely scenario is that "the intruder" is most likely to get violent. The fact is that most intruders, when discovered, will flee. You're also disregarding the fact that avoiding such confrontations is pretty simple. Basic security precautions like deadlocks and security screens are adequate to deter most would be home invaders. You're tying yourself in overly contrived "what if" scenarios to try to justify largely avoidable gun violence.

Lastly, you're avoiding the huge elephant in the room, i.e. being armed is not a guarantee that you will "get the drop" on the other guy. A lot of untrained, unfit Americans seem to have this strange idea that possessing a gun instantly makes you John Maclean.

And that's before we even mention the simple cost
/benefit analysis, how many people get shot accidentally, wrongfully, or self inflicted for every "successful" and "necessary" case of self defence?

Any way you cut it, "self defence" is a pretty poor justification for firearm ownership. And I say that as the owner of 7 registered weapons.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Gerry said:
You appear to have so many falsities swirling around in your intellect, I hardly know how to start.

Ummm.
Let’s see.
What would Jesus do?
What DID Jesus do?

If the, ummm, ‘church’ people, think that their life is more valuable than ANYONE else's, then they are breaking the ONE AND ONLY commandment Jesus left us with.

Since you appear to not know it, I will elaborate.
Jesus wanted us to DO UNTO OTHERS AS WE WOULD WANT DONE UNTO OURSELVES .
NOT doing EVIL unto others before they MAYBE do evil unto us.

I could go on, but I wonder if you understand anything I’m saying so far.
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I understand you perfectly. Your understanding is flawed, not mine.

I would love to say more, but right now I have to reload. Scared?

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Windwalker said:
I've never heard such a bastardization of the history of Christianity as you have just put forth. You have other verses to support this "teaching" that you claim came from Jesus? He urged his followers to buy weapons to protect themselves? Can you support that with the teachings of the apostles? Back that up with early church fathers teachings that? Until you, I've never heard anyone say this is what Jesus taught his followers to do.
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How many times does God have to say something?

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
You don't carry to bluff. If you do...you're a fool.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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I don't bluff.
But I don't shoot if I don't have too.
(So far, this has worked for me.)

You might find this illuminating....
CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns
However interesting attempts to estimate the inherently uncountable social phenomenon
of innocent DGUs (while remembering that defensive gun use generally does not mean
defensive gun firing, indeed it likely only means that less than a quarter of the time).....
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Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Windwalker said:
I missed this. Special post just for it. Let me quote the verse for you. "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword." It does not say, "you will die if you try to defend me, so put it away", which is what you'd like to think since you love guns and are trying to justify that contraction with bogus scripture citations. Note the word "all"? All who draw it, will die by it. This isn't situational.

Furthermore, nothing in Jesus's teaching support a "defend yourself with weaponry" claim. This is hogwash. It contradicts the very nature of Jesus that the scriptures present.
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Why isn't it situational? Jesus was addressing the situation the disciples were in.

I just showed you Jesus teaching of defending yourself.

No, it contradicts your view of Jesus as some sort of peace loving Gandhi type character. Total BS.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Why isn't it situational? Jesus was addressing the situation the disciples were in.

I just showed you Jesus teaching of defending yourself.

No, it contradicts your view of Jesus as some sort of peace loving Gandhi type character. Total BS.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Jesus was a nonviolent resister of Rome, that is why he alone, and not his disciples was executed. That was a standard practice for non-violent resistance movements. Kill the leader, and the flock will disperse. Violent resistance movements on the other hand, both the leaders and the followers were rounded up and crucified.

So no, Jesus was not violent. And yes, he was like Ghandi, a non-violent resistor. You know nothing.
 
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