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Do you see the differences between God (The Almighty) and My Father Who is in Heaven?


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Terral

Member
Greetings to All:

This thread is dedicated to presenting and deliberating the differences between the “Only True God” (Jn 17:3), characterized as “the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8), and “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt. 10:32-33) who is the spirit witness of the Word testifying with the Son and Holy Spirit from Matthew 28:19.

“God” is the same “God” who sent our Lord Jesus Christ into the world to sav sinners (Jn 3:16-18) and the same “God” who raised our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead. Romans 10:9. “God” is the “One God and Father” of Ephesians 4:6 and Christ Jesus is the “Lord” of Ephesians 4:5 the “Son of God” (Jn 1:34 testifying on the earth, and the ”Son of God” (2Cor. 11:19) IN whom all things were created and are held together (Col. 1:16-17).

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Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017, Page 313.

God’s three witnesses are “God To Come” (spirit witness), “God Who Is” (blood witness) and “God Who Was” (water witness Helper/Priest) testifying for “The Almighty” in Revelation 1:8. “God Who Is” is speaking in Genesis 1 saying, “Let Us make man in Our image” (Gen. 1:26), which is a ‘triune’ image (GTC, GWI, GWW) whereby man and woman were created having a spirit (spirit witness), soul (blood witness) and physical body (water witness helper). “God” is the “Only True God” and “My God” who sent our Lord Jesus Christ into this universe [my notes]:

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ [F+S+HS] whom You have sent.” John 17:3.

The “God and Father” of our Lord Jesus Christ is the “Invisible God” of Colossians 1:15 and the same “My God” that no one has seen at any time (John 1:18). See my explanations to blu2 (here) on the “Is there an official Trinity doctrine?” topic for more information. Nobody can see “God” because He is infinite, so God sent His Only Begotten Son to incarnate in this universe to become the “Lord” (Acts 2:36, Rom. 10:9) that men can see. While the three witnesses of “The Almighty” are testifying in Revelation 1:8, the three witnesses of “The Word/Son” are testifying in Matthew 28:19 having the same "Triune" IMAGE of the Invisible God. “My Father Who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt. 10:32-33) is the “spirit witness’ of “Christ Jesus” standing IN HEAVEN as the “one Mediator” like this:

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Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017, Page 97.

This diagram shows the “Heavenly Man Christ Jesus” under the red arrow standing in Heaven of Genesis 1:1 that is the Highest Heaven of 1Kings 8:27. Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) is the “True Tabernacle” (Heb. 8:1-2) that the Lord God (One God) pitched and not man with Two Veils just like the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple (diagram) also having the Image of a Man. The three witnesses of God (The Almighty: Rev. 1:8) appear at the far left of Figure 1 and at the top of Figure 2. However, My Father who is in Heaven is the “Father” testifying with the Son and Holy Spirit above “Heaven” in Figure 1 and in the central-soul-blood section of Figure 2 placing Christ Jesus “between God AND men” (1Tim. 2:5).

Do you see the differences between God (The Almighty) and My Father who is in Heaven? Good luck in the deliberations.

In Christ Jesus (F+S+HS),

Terral
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
There’s a lot to unpack here.
I think it would be quite enjoyable to have a long conversation with you on such matters, but this is not the place.

One topic that I’ve been trying to get a better understanding of is the soul and spirit thing. I think I concluded something like what you stated in your third paragraph, yet I cannot be sure exactly what your thinking may be. But, your comment there actually aided my own thinking somewhat.

Then you mentioned the heavenly man Christ Jesus standing in the heaven of Genesis 1:1. That, now, opens other questions. What exactly IS that heaven?
How do you see this “heavenly man”? On it’s face value, I would have some difficulty with your sentence, but not knowing your thinking, who knows, we may agree completely.

Then you mentioned a triune ‘image of the invisible God’. That kind of loses me a bit as well. Triune is a loaded word. It can mean different things to different people. Actually significantly different. Then , the invisible god concept? More questions arise. What exactly is invisible? (not the definition) And, is God invisible?

There are many verses in the OT which put many names to God, including ‘almighty’. All the names refer to the same entity. So, the BIG question is, who are we seeing as “my Father who is in heaven”?

I think I could easily answer your question, but only after I was able to perceive what you see as the answer to my question just above. If you see something different there than I do, I would have to leave the question unanswered.

Finally, I want to mention, that the Lord only opens the minds of a few people to understand scripture. Luke 24:45 shows that it is necessary for Him to open minds. Luke 13:24 shows that one should make every effort, but few can succeed.
 

Terral

Member
Hi Gerry:

Thank you for writing on the God, My Father who is in Heaven topic. You wrote:
There’s a lot to unpack here.
I think it would be quite enjoyable to have a long conversation with you on such matters, but this is not the place.

Just click on my profile and my contact info can be found at the bottom of the page on my website.
One topic that I’ve been trying to get a better understanding of is the soul and spirit thing. I think I concluded something like what you stated in your third paragraph, yet I cannot be sure exactly what your thinking may be. But, your comment there actually aided my own thinking somewhat.

You can see my answers to Bonnie's questions on the "Spirit/Soul" thing here.
Then you mentioned the heavenly man Christ Jesus standing in the heaven of Genesis 1:1. That, now, opens other questions. What exactly IS that heaven?

There is method to my seeming madness in presenting the Two Gospels, Two Churches, Four Baptisms, God-My Father, topics at this ReligiousForums.com Board that has been done all over the internet for the last two decades or so. My next topic is The Differences Between Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus where we will explore the true meaning of Heaven in Genesis 1:1 "and" heaven in Genesis 1:8. Briefly, you can see very clearly that the Heaven and Earth of Genesis 1:1 are definitely "created" by God, which means they have a beginning and an end. Heaven of Genesis 1:1 is the "Word" of John 1:1-3 through whom "all things" were created.

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Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017 Page 17

Genesis 1:1 contains the primer for breaking God's true Bible code using God's three witnesses of spirit, blood and water. Here you see God, the Heaven/Word and Earth/All Things/Adam as three witnesses of spirit, blood and water respectively.

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Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017 Page 20

Here we see how the God, Heaven-Word, Earth-Adam singularities are broken down into their three witnesses of spirit, blood and water with each having the same "image of a man." Many professing Bible experts proclaim that 6 is the number of man, but good luck getting an answer to why they make this claim. :0) Six is the number of man for simple reasons, because God has His own numerology testifying from Genesis 1:1 through Revelation and everywhere in between. For the three witnesses: Spirit = 1. Blood = 2. Water = 3. Add the three numbers together (1+2+3) and you get 6 the number of man that is not a literal human man, but a spirit witness overshadowing a water witness (like Luke 1:35) to "beget" a blood witness (seed/offspring). This is the same mystery process explaining how the heavens (waters above) and earth (waters below) and "heaven" were created in Genesis 1:6-8 that you can see testifying above the "Earth" in the left-side diagram. To answer your question, Heaven is the incarnation of God's Word broken down into the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who is "Christ Jesus" (F+S+HS) as a heavenly "man" from 1Tim. 2:5. Note carefully in the diagram above that the Heavenly Adam (Christ Jesus) is "between God and men" just like Scripture says. :0)
How do you see this “heavenly man”? On it’s face value, I would have some difficulty with your sentence, but not knowing your thinking, who knows, we may agree completely.

You are asking questions about what Paul characterizes as "God's wisdom" reserved for the "mature." 1Cor. 2:6-8. A good idea might be to familiarize yourself with the ancient Greek definition of "musterion" (#3466; mystery) used 20 times in the Pauline Epistles and never used once in any book bearing the name of the Kingdom Disciples. Paul writes on this mystery topic to the Colossians:
"Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions. Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." Col. 1:24-27.

Christ IN you is Heaven of Genesis 1:1 incarnate "in" you, or the Father + Son + Holy Spirit incarnate within your soul as a Living Tabernacle "IN" whom God dwells.

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Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017 Page 299

This is one of the more complicated mystery diagrams from my book The Mystery Explained used to help readers see how Heaven of Genesis 1:1 is incarnate "in" you as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who Paul characterizes as "Christ Jesus" or "Christ in you" (Fig 2.). Once you can visualize the three-witness mystery sets, then you can see how God takes up residence ("rests" from Gen. 2:1-3) "IN" His Son for reconciling the world to Himself (2Cor. 5:16-21, 19). The truth is that Heaven and God of Genesis 1:1 is nearer to believers than their own breath having incarnations "in" us, which allows us to judge the "world" and the "angels." 1Cor. 6:2-3. We are tabernacles for Christ who is the True Tabernacle for God making this "mystery among the Gentiles" much more glorious than many are capable of realizing today.
Then you mentioned a triune ‘image of the invisible God’. That kind of loses me a bit as well. Triune is a loaded word. It can mean different things to different people. Actually significantly different. Then , the invisible god concept? More questions arise. What exactly is invisible? (not the definition) And, is God invisible?

A good question can oftentimes be the beginning of wisdom with sufficient knowledge. Triune is another term for Trinity or Three. The Almighty from Revelation 1:8 testifies through His three witnesses of God To Come (spirit), God Who Is (blood) and God Who Is (water) like the Word testifies through the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water). In every case, a singularity testifies using three witnesses of spirit, blood and water, at least, for those with spiritual eyes from God allowing us to see. God is the invisible God, because God is I.N.F.I.N.I.T.E... The entirety of the Heaven and Earth is like one tiny drop of water on God's Infinite Finger, which means anyone contained in Heaven and Earth cannot possibly see Him. Period. God testifies to us using His three witnesses "through" His Son (Word) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit testifying as God's Living Word.
There are many verses in the OT which put many names to God, including ‘almighty’. All the names refer to the same entity. So, the BIG question is, who are we seeing as “my Father who is in heaven”?

My Father who is in Heaven is the "spirit witness" (Spirit) of the Word like the Son is the blood witness and the Holy Spirit is the water witness-Helper. The Son speaking about His Father who is in Heaven allows us to understand the relationships of our soul and our spirit. We can grow to understand the relationships of the immortal souls of heaven and the angels of the heavens in the same way once you see the pattern that exists for all three-witness mystery sets testifying from God's Living Word from Genesis to Revelation. In time, the combined testimony of all the witnesses coalesce as angel song rising up from heaven 'in' us like a symphony, but that is the topic of another debate.
I think I could easily answer your question, but only after I was able to perceive what you see as the answer to my question just above. If you see something different there than I do, I would have to leave the question unanswered.

Finally, I want to mention, that the Lord only opens the minds of a few people to understand scripture. Luke 24:45 shows that it is necessary for Him to open minds. Luke 13:24 shows that one should make every effort, but few can succeed.

Amen, brother. Those seeing God's wisdom clearly and intently are like John the Baptist crying in the wilderness, not because we are in a desert, but because of the truth in the substance of your statement above. The truth in Christ's Kingdom doctrine statement from Matthew 22:14 ring true for today.

Blessings,

Terral
 
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