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The Inner Guru and Insight

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
even with the best teacher doesn't the student eventually have to become the teacher to have achieved the ultimate goal? in seeking god, brahman doesn't one have to become that?


John 5:19

Luke 6:40

Matthew 10:25

John 10:30
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
even with the best teacher doesn't the student eventually have to become the teacher to have achieved the ultimate goal? in seeking god, brahman doesn't one have to become that?


John 5:19

Luke 6:40

Matthew 10:25

John 10:30
In my understanding.
The spiritual teacher/master can only give their teaching and install their mechanism for the cultivation to work for the student/cultivator to becoming enlightened.
It is always the student/Cultivator who must do the hard and difficult work of removing their own attachments to this physical world. removing/letting go of greed, anger, jealousy, hate, like/dislike, and so on. and that is not done in a day, but a lifetime of 24/7 cultivation of mind and body.
Belief is only getting you so far, but it is when removing oneself from the boundary of being a human being. that is how cultivation works. to elevate to a higher realm by doing cultivation. (religions does not teach that, they teach only belief this days)
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
in seeking god, brahman; doesn't one have to become that?
One cannot become that, unless one understands. Books do say "One who knows Brahman, verily becomes Brahman" (Brahma Veda Brahmaiva bhavati). This is the view in Advaita Hinduism (non-duality).
Brahma = Brahman, Veda, vid = who knows, Brahmaiva = verily Brahman, bhavati = becomes.

However, IMV, Brahman is not a God, it is different. Cannot be equated with Abrahamic God.

Moreover, the inner Guru is not always dependable. My inner guru is different from the inner guru of a serial killer.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
even with the best teacher doesn't the student eventually have to become the teacher to have achieved the ultimate goal? in seeking god, brahman doesn't one have to become that?


John 5:19

Luke 6:40

Matthew 10:25

John 10:30
"...Kingdom of Heaven is near." .
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Moreover, the inner Guru is not always dependable. My inner guru is different from the inner guru of a serial killer.
That's interesting. Considering that Guru means one that leads you from darkness into light, or a "dispeller of darkness", I don't think that what's talking to the mind of a serial killer, since all of that is leading into darkness, not out of it. In other words, it's not an inner guru, but a psychological malfunction, a pathology which leads to death, not life.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
In my understanding.
The spiritual teacher/master can only give their teaching and install their mechanism for the cultivation to work for the student/cultivator to becoming enlightened.
It is always the student/Cultivator who must do the hard and difficult work of removing their own attachments to this physical world. removing/letting go of greed, anger, jealousy, hate, like/dislike, and so on. and that is not done in a day, but a lifetime of 24/7 cultivation of mind and body.
Belief is only getting you so far, but it is when removing oneself from the boundary of being a human being. that is how cultivation works. to elevate to a higher realm by doing cultivation. (religions does not teach that, they teach only belief this days)
so then, who is the original teacher who set this in motion?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
even with the best teacher doesn't the student eventually have to become the teacher to have achieved the ultimate goal?

To me a true teacher helps the student to walk the path. The student must still do the walking. When the ultimate goal is achieved, the teacher, the student and the goal are experienced as One without a second.

so then, who is the original teacher who set this in motion?

In Eastern formulations, that figure is Nataraj, Lord of the Dance (of the universe).
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
If I knew the answer to this question I probably would be fully enlightening now, So even I wish I could answer your question, I honestly do not know.
wouldn't it have to be something inside the whole? or are you a panentheist? do you believe it was something outside the whole, or something within the absolute? are you dualist? or monist?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
wouldn't it have to be something inside the whole? or are you a panentheist? do you believe it was something outside the whole, or something within the absolute? are you dualist? or monist?
I am a Falun Gong practitioner (i left buddhism when i realized i could not reach enlightenment there anymore) , and our master has not said who was the very first to create this universe or another universe/realms/dimensions. And it is not very important to know since it is now I do the cultivation toward enlightenment.
If I knew who created the universe or existence the very first time it would not make me better in cultivating Falun Gong:) But in my understanding, there have been more then 81 universes before this we live in now. (can be more without I know that of course) Can i prove it? No, how would I do that?
 

Workman

UNIQUE
You are your own Teacher(Father), and also your own student(Son). For our Father(mind) is ALWAYS Perfect. How else would you not know what you know? Or make it ‘do’ of what you did?

the problem we have today is the son(heart/body) which is the student for fulfilling in what father wants to know of...but the son does not always will from what the father knows.
 
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Hermit

Member
The evolution of consciousness appears to me to be the most logical reasoning for our existence based on what I've seen of the world. What the end result is, whether its becoming world creators ourselves, assisting The One in higher realms, etc. I cannot say for sure.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
To me a true teacher helps the student to walk the path. The student must still do the walking. When the ultimate goal is achieved, the teacher, the student and the goal are experienced as One without a second.

In Eastern formulations, that figure is Nataraj, Lord of the Dance (of the universe).

Dakshinamurthy as well, the 'teacher' form.
 

Electra

Active Member
everything is filtered through the self and the self is filtered through everything

the teacher is always inside AND outside
 
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