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sooda · Dec 30, 2019

oldbadger said:
Ha ha! Rubbish reporting, looks like.

That was no burglary! The three visiting youths parked on the trailer's driveway.

Neighbours think it was some kind of confrontation.
Was this drug or other-crime related.
As soon as I read that the son hid and waited for the three youths it seemed obvious that this was no ordinary intrusion or break in.

Let's see what a Grand Jury thinks about it.

How does that rule out a home invasion?

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 30, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I can see how someone might feel the need to have a gun. And sadly there are some evil people out there. If I had a gun I would not advertise the fact because that can backfire. It can make one's home a target for invasion. My point was if push came to shove and it was necessary to kill someone that should be seen as a very sad necessity and not something to boast about.

I'd argue that if someone invests as much time, effort, and money into ensuring non-violent options are available as someone would need to expend to get and keep a firearm and be trained in its use to the point they stand a reasonable chance against a violent attacker, then killing would never be a necessity.

sooda · Dec 30, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
I'd argue that if someone invests as much time, effort, and money into ensuring non-violent options are available as someone would need to expend to get and keep a firearm and be trained in its use to the point they stand a reasonable chance against a violent attacker, then killing would never be a necessity.

I wouldn't advertise that I had a gun. Crooks target homes where they think they can steal guns and sell them.

Stevicus · Dec 30, 2019

sooda said:
How does that rule out a home invasion?

Well, this whole story does seem kind of odd. I read the article, but I have a feeling there's more to this story than is being reported. Three guys dressed in all black, either attempting a burglary or home invasion of a trailer home where someone in the article was quoted as having "nothing worth stealing." Unless they were dealing or trafficking in drugs, where there might be cash, drugs, and/or weapons to be had. Otherwise, why do it? It's extremely high risk for very little return.

There have been quite a few incidents like that around here, and it's almost always something like that. Basically, it's "gang vs. gang."

Revoltingest · Dec 30, 2019

sooda said:
I wouldn't advertise that I had a gun. Crooks target homes where they think they can steal guns and sell them.

Every now & then I hear of proposed legislation to publish
the names of all concealed carry license holders. The
reason you give is one argument against such a law.

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 30, 2019

sooda said:
I wouldn't advertise that I had a gun. Crooks target homes where they think they can steal guns and sell them.

I didn't say anything about advertising your gun.

... though now that you mention it: if there's nothing to differentiate a house with a gun from one without until an intruder is inside, then keeping a gun is useless as a deterrent.

If you live in an area where an intruder can expect a reasonable chance of a gun, any house could expect the same level of deterrence - or the same risk of being targeted for break-ins by burglars trying to steal firearms - regardless of whether you have a gun or not.

BSM1 · Dec 30, 2019

Revoltingest said:
Jesus must've been old school.
Shotguns are more effective.

I can just see Jesus face palming....

oldbadger · Dec 30, 2019

Stevicus said:
Yes, it might have been a case of drugs or cash being in the house. That's what most "home invasion" robberies turn out to be.

Ah. I think you've probably hit the nail on the head, right there. In which case it was never a burglary but a robbery.
I don't know when a Grand Jury will give a decision but it will be interesting for sure

oldbadger · Dec 30, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I wasn't there, so the OP is the premise for the thread.
If accurate, shooting in self defense is reasonable.
Break-ins do occur.
(Btw, the term doesn't actually require that anything
be broken...just surreptitious wrongful engry.)

Channelview resident opens fire, killing 3 suspects inside his home

Time will tell. The son is charged with an offence and a Grand Jury will sit.

BSM1 · Dec 30, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
The Bible is the Big Book of Multiple Choice, but it also says explicitly "do not resist an evil person."

And what could a believing Christian possibly fear from a home invader?

Death? Why would Heaven be something to avoid?

Suffering before death? Sure, it's unpleasant at the time, but you'll be rewarded in Heaven for having gone through it, so you'll be better off overall in the end.

To me, a Christian who would kill to avoid being hurt or killed by an attacker is advertising to the world that their faith isn't as certain as they portray it to the world.

Sooo...you never lock your doors?

oldbadger · Dec 30, 2019

sooda said:
How does that rule out a home invasion?

Well your earlier post was definitely wrong. The three youths did not crash in to the mobile home but parked their vehicle on the drive.

oldbadger · Dec 30, 2019

BSM1 said:
Sooo...you never lock your doors?

The son didn't. He hid up with a gun.

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 30, 2019

BSM1 said:
Sooo...you never lock your doors?

Of course I do. I don't believe in any unseen forces protecting me or an afterlife in paradise, so a lock is a good idea.

It's the people who do as I do while also claiming to believe in the tenets of Christianity who I think are the hypocrites. Doubly so for the so-called Christians who arm themselves with deadly weapons for "protection."

Revoltingest · Dec 30, 2019

BSM1 said:
I can just see Jesus face palming....

BSM1 · Dec 30, 2019

Revoltingest said:

I'm considering stealing this.

Revoltingest · Dec 30, 2019

BSM1 said:
I'm considering stealing this.

Hey!
I stole it first!

BSM1 · Dec 30, 2019

Revoltingest said:
Hey!
I stole it first!

Look! Squirrel!

tytlyf · Dec 30, 2019

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
No need to pass up what God has given us.

Good-Ole-Rebel

God didn't give you the 2A. Deists did.
BTW, your avatar is peculiar.
Looks like you support the confederate democrats in the south during the civil war?

esmith · Dec 30, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
I'd argue that if someone invests as much time, effort, and money into ensuring non-violent options are available as someone would need to expend to get and keep a firearm and be trained in its use to the point they stand a reasonable chance against a violent attacker, then killing would never be a necessity.

Ah, another person who does not understand how to use a firearm in the defense of oneself or another. Typical misunderstanding of those that never had any training in firearm self-defense.

tytlyf · Dec 30, 2019

esmith said:
Ah, another person who does not understand how to use a firearm in the defense of oneself or another. Typical misunderstanding of those that never had any training in firearm self-defense.

Most people don't care if you keep a weapon at home for self defense. The problem comes when people want to start taking weapons outside the home into the public.
Everyone should be able to carry on an airplane right? Gotta make sure you're ready when the terrorists try to hijack another plane! That's your logic. It's a paranoid logic.

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