Cooky
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No they're not at war.
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On December 18th at 8:35 pm Donald J. Trump was impeached.
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No they're not at war.
Subduction Zone
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Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia
Russia’s attack on Ukraine is an act of war
I would say that 2,423 killed by Russian forces qualifies this as a war.
It ain’t a pillow fight.
whirlingmerc
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So was Clinton. So?
Clinton's popularity was by far the highest after impeachment
In the case of Trump the claims against him were far more problematic and weak. There will be political capital lost by Democrats by voters who felt they wasted time.
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Cooky
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Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia
Russia’s attack on Ukraine is an act of war
I would say that 2,423 killed by Russian forces qualifies this as a war.
They're not at "war". They've been in armed conflicts in the recent past... But that is changing. Please keep up, and get your facts in order before entering debates.
"Ukraine, Russia, the DPR, the LPR, and the OSCE agreed to a roadmap for an end to the conflict on 1 October 2019."
War in Donbass - Wikipedia
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Cooky
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It's deescalating and is in the process of being resolved anyway.
...There is no urgency in getting Ukraine it's military funding.
Subduction Zone
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As long as the conflict goes on and since there have been thousands of lost lives on both sides they were at the very least at war when the aid was held up. Did you see the date on when the conflict would supposedly end? According to your own link they were still at war when Trump held up the aid. And if the conflict continues agreement or not they are still at war.
My observation is that one of the reasons was that he was young, charismatic (some would say "slimy"
) and attractive (he was when he was young). Physical appearance goes a long way. How dare they attack JFK Redux!? Again, just my observations.
Cooky
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More than likely the POTUS would know about national events before the general population. He has the CIA and all, and politicians talk privately amongst each other.
Wandering Monk
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Via The Onion:
Headline: Prominent Evangelical Magazine Calls for Removing Trump from Holy Trinity.
Headline: Prominent Evangelical Magazine Calls for Removing Trump from Holy Trinity.
whirlingmerc
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Christianity Today ran an editorial on that.
On could make a strong case of significant flaws in all candidates, Hillary, Bill, Barak.... is it impeachable? or you don't like him? The Christianity Today editor felt the case against Trump was sound. I think the case has problems
Given that Bernie Sanders told an appointee from Wheaton College he was unfit for any government appointment (because he personally articulated Jesus explanation of John 3:16 see John 3:18 ?????? ) and Joe Biden mocked conservatives in the heartlands for 'clinging to guns and religious' or Obama's radical disregard of pro life conscience in forcing them to fund abortions through Obamacare, the question of who the editorial thinks most unpresidential unanswered.
Many politicians are significantly flawed but that would include Pelosi et al.
I am fine with a President Mike Pence tho.
I also prefer to get news from World Magazine for a Christian point of view
www.worldmag.com
2019 News of the Year - WORLD
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Spartan
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Subduction Zone
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But we have all seen why Bernie rejected that appointee. It was not for the reasons that you claim.
And you really should really be wary of sources written for those that drink the Kool-Aid. They are not the most reliable sources out there.
Unveiled Artist
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What source?
White House considers arguing that Trump wasn't impeached
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Not quite. They're still waiting for the articles to go through. I haven't read the full thread. Can you give a link?
The courts could decide if Trump was impeached (opinion) - CNN
whirlingmerc
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Actually it was exactly the reasons I claimed
Bernie's and his staff were so Biblically illiterate they didn't realize it was Jesus explanation of John 3:16 they were perturbed about with their shallow world view understanding. People who don't accept the Son sent from the Father "stand condemned" is exactly from Jesus explanation of John 3:16.
But the logical consequese is Bernie would not let either Vought or Jesus be a government appointee which is sad firstly, because by his reasoning Bernie is unfit for office condemning the views of Christians
Marveled at by those who believe, condemning those who don't in both testaments.
It is sad secondly because in his own Jewish religious view in the promises in Isaiah 9 the Messiah will have "the government rest upon his shoulders" hence God is pleased to make the Messiah his top 'appointee", his unbelieving enemies "stand condemned" in Daniel 7 and Psalm 110 according to the Hebrew scriptures and in the New Testament scriptures in 2 These 1:8,9
Bottom line: Bernie wrongly feels it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you don't agree with Jesus and express privately or publicly what Jesus said regarding John 3:16 in order to be a public appointee which makes Bernie unfit for office by his own standard.
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Subduction Zone
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Nope, wrong again. This has been explained to you countless times. He simply did not do what you accuse him of doing. You don't really care what the Christian did wrong. You cannot see how his act was immoral.
I have seen constitutional experts argue this both ways. But it is at best at technicality. Either he is impeached or he will be impeached as soon as the papers are delivered. Either way the history books will record that Donald Trump was the third President to be impeached.
My standard.....
"For all practical purposes" is more cromulent than arcane legal arguments.
