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Are Scientists playing God?

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
If that's all it takes for someone to be like your god, what a small god you must have.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
So technical. Next you will claim
the sun does fusion, not fission.

Pulse fusion in fact.
Which is why the current rate of mutations is insufficient to explain the extent of evolution.
There is a hot phase and a cold phase. During the hot phase there is much more radiation-induced genetic mutation.

We are currently in a cold phase.

During the hot phase, while fusion is active, the sun expands. Eventually, due to the expansion, the pressure at the core drops and fusion stops.

During a cold phase (no fusion) the sun shrinks and eventually the core pressure starts the fusion again.

Your ancestors told me this :alien:
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Pulse fusion in fact.
Which is why the current rate of mutations is insufficient to explain the extent of evolution.
There is a hot phase and a cold phase. During the hot phase there is much more radiation-induced genetic mutation.

We are currently in a cold phase.

During the hot phase, while fusion is active, the sun expands. Eventually, due to the expansion, the pressure at the core drops and fusion stops.

During a cold phase (no fusion) the sun shrinks and eventually the core pressure starts the fusion again.

Your ancestors told me this :alien:
This sounds highly doubtful to me, both the rate of mutations being insufficient to account for evolution and the hot and cold phase stuff. Can you provide any references for these ideas?
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
This sounds highly doubtful to me, both the rate of mutations being insufficient to account for evolution and the hot and cold phase stuff. Can you provide any references for these ideas?

I was being facetious, and expanding on a joke made by Audie in the thread.

However I did hear the theory proposed in the 70s.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Pulse fusion in fact.
Which is why the current rate of mutations is insufficient to explain the extent of evolution.
There is a hot phase and a cold phase. During the hot phase there is much more radiation-induced genetic mutation.

We are currently in a cold phase.

During the hot phase, while fusion is active, the sun expands. Eventually, due to the expansion, the pressure at the core drops and fusion stops.

During a cold phase (no fusion) the sun shrinks and eventually the core pressure starts the fusion again.

Your ancestors told me this :alien:

Oh.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
You really believe that the small benefits that come from using radiation in medicine outweighs the damage caused by Chernobyl or Fukushima? And justifies Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Seriously? o_O
Wow! Do you really understand so very little of what nuclear energy and nuclear medicine have given us?

And have you forgotten that the deaths at Nagasaki and Hiroshima are small potatoes compared to the overall numbers killed in our various wars by more "traditional" means? (about 220,000 compared to 75 million!)

And do you suppose that none of our other technologies have not caused accidental death on large enough scales? Have none of our dams ever burst, buildings collapsed?Have we never poisoned our waterways with our waste?

Try a little perspective.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Wow! Do you really understand so very little of what nuclear energy and nuclear medicine have given us?

And have you forgotten that the deaths at Nagasaki and Hiroshima are small potatoes compared to the overall numbers killed in our various wars by more "traditional" means? (about 220,000 compared to 75 million!)

And do you suppose that none of our other technologies have not caused accidental death on large enough scales? Have none of our dams ever burst, buildings collapsed?Have we never poisoned our waterways with our waste?

Try a little perspective.

Tall freakin' order for such a straight and narrow cult.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?

Consider what God said when he confused speech at Babel -which essentially postponed what is now happening -and is about to happen -while he worked out his overall plan for us....
Gen 11:6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Actually, it is God's intention to make us gods -but we're not good at it yet and are learning very difficult lessons.
Our future is to go out and inhabit the universe -without needing to be micromanaged -without the possibility of making this sort of mess ever again.

The most important lesson is that we do not have what it takes to not make an abominable mess of things without him and his government -not to mention destroy ourselves.
He is literally able to manage EVERYTHING -and REPAIR EVERYTHING -but is letting us play it out, as experience will remove doubt and the temptation to ever do all of this this again.
He is also teaching US to manage EVERYTHING -with minimal, yet crucial, government.

Here is a quick overview.....

Ps 82:6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes
2 Tim 3:7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Matt 10:29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Matt 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved........
Rev 11:18The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead, and to reward Your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear Your name, both small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Phil 3:21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Isa 45:18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Rom 8:20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God
2 Pet 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Isa 60:17Instead of bronze I will bring you gold; I will bring silver in place of iron, bronze instead of wood, and iron instead of
stones. I will appoint peace as your governor and righteousness as your ruler. 18No longer will violence be heard in your land, nor ruin or destruction within your borders.
Isa 65:17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Rev21:4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Rom 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
More specifically, identical twins are clones.
No, assuming you mean maternal twins they cime from the same zygote and thus habe identicle dna, amd habe two parents with dna that differs from their parents. But a clone has one parent, copied from that parent, and has nearly identical dna to the parent.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
How do you know that God does not want us mucking about with atoms and cloning. The Bible is silent on the subjects. Cloning is not the creation of life. How do you know so much about souls and the processes involved with them? What is the basis of your belief here?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I’m pretty sure God did not intend for an atom to be split. But we did it and look what happened. Do scientists try to mess with things that shouldn’t be messed with? I mean cloning a human, how do you they figure that can work? In my opinion God is the only One who can create life. I believe in the soul. How can a soul be cloned. I picture a twisted messed mass of cells tissue devoid of a conscience or soul that has no moral compass or sense of right or wrong. Scary...super soldiers? Thoughts?
why would cloning a human be any more problematic for ensoulment than identical twins?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Consider what God said when he confused speech at Babel -which essentially postponed what is now happening -and is about to happen -while he worked out his overall plan for us....
Good thing some of us know more than one language and can communicate about that tower. (is god really so short sighted and under estimating of his own creation he thought we couldn't overcome such a minor inconvenience?)
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Somebody has to take responsibility for this world. If a god exists, it either is impotent to help us, indifferent to our concerns, or possibly even unaware that we exist. Whatever the case, if all you do is put your hands together and mutter at the ceiling fan, you are not part of the solution. It's the people playing god that are improving the human condition.

We should all strive to play gods. When I pull over on a rural road to save a turtle crossing it, I know that there was nobody there in that corner of the universe to take responsibility for that creature's well-being except me, so I did. If that's playing god, I 'm proud to do so. No god helped.
Isn't anyone with a disease or injury that turns to medical science asking someone to play god? For that matter, even exercising the idea by someone in that condition could be that person playing god. Washing hands to remove disease causing bacteria could be playing god. It seems like a silly argument.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Perhaps it was the intent behind the splitting of the atom. Turning that knowledge into nuclear weapons of mass destruction accomplished nothing positive. Nuclear power stations are an excuse to produce plutonium for the manufacture of weapons. Otherwise its just an expensive way to boil water to produce power.....not to mention the aftermath when reactors explode....:eek: Clever science at its finest.



Cloning only produces a "look-alike". Even identical twins who share the same DNA have different personalities. You can clone a body but not a person. Each is unique.



I agree, but science did not create life, they simply manipulated it. They have no idea what created life and it galls them. How can you get rid of God as the Creator of life if you can't scientifically prove how it happened accidentally? o_O



If you understand the word "soul" as it is defined in scripture, it is a "living breathing creature"...the words in Hebrew and Greek, never mean a disembodied spirit. Therefore man is a soul...he doesn't have one.
If you read Genesis 2:7 you will see that Adam "became" a soul when God started him breathing. As long as living things breathe, they are rightly described as "souls" in the Bible. Animals are called "souls" as well.

As for the moral compass and no sense of right or wrong, one only has to look at conditioned, highly trained (brainwashed) soldiers or police enforcers who will commit atrocities at the command of other humans in a combat situation. These already exist...you don't need to worry about clones. The ones who already exist are scary enough. Where is the conscience of someone who can wipe out an entire village with women and children by dropping a bomb with the press of a button? Or firing a missile at a house knowing that innocent children will die as mere "collateral damage".

It is the complete disregard for the sanctity of life that creates these monsters, schooled from infancy in godless thinking. Yet, conversely when you couple that with religious zeal, and you have a recipe for everything we fear. That makes one a righteous soldier of God. For Christians there can be no such thing. His army put their weapons down 2,000 years ago. We are to be "peacemakers"...not merely 'peacekeepers'.

We need to understand what went wrong in the beginning, and how God is allowing humans to 'reap what they have sown'....he will fix it all in "the end times".....fast approaching its conclusion, by the look of things.
You like to purposefully confuse the application of knowledge with the means used to acquire that knowledge to condemn a means you do not like based on your ideology. You do this all the time. Throw in wild and unsupportable conspiracy theories that amount to manufactured paranoia too. Science is a noble and useful pursuit. Because people can use knowledge poorly does not impune the source of that knowledge. Just the people acting poorly. You use knowledge poorly.

Here is another example of your poor use. We do not know the origin of life. You claim this knowledge galls scientists. How ridiculous and small. It is an intriguing mystery that interests and even thrills scientists. It obviously galls you that anyone would ask questions outside of your doctrine and dogma.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe God is a scientist who used science to create the universe. We are simply following in God's footsteps.

If we learn to create a universe, I wonder what it's inhabitants will think about their creator. Perhaps our creator's creator was simply a scientist who started off by splitting atoms.
T hey may be pretty upset. That creation would involve people and things get pretty kicked up once that happens.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Good thing some of us know more than one language and can communicate about that tower. (is god really so short sighted and under estimating of his own creation he thought we couldn't overcome such a minor inconvenience?)
Since you brought it up.....

Dan 12:4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

International air travel.... sharing of information and technology... then eventually the ability to translate any language with the click of a mouse.... to learn to do just about anything on the internet -all have had an effect -both positive and negative. The positive does not need to be policed, but the negative cannot be policed -even if it could all be known.

As I wrote in my post.... it POSTPONED that which is happening now and is about to happen -such as our ability to destroy ourselves and many terrible things before that happens..

The extra time allowed for billions to be born -and have their personal human experiences -who will one day have nothing restrained from them which they imagine to do -BUT in an orderly and non-harmful fashion.
 
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