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I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

Frank Goad said:

I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

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Hebrews 9

Reads as though all who have not let christ redeem believers by his blood sacrifice, they will have judgement. So, assuming once we who suffer from disbelief have judgement, we will no longer exist. Dead to sin.

Reincarnation is more of continued life not life after death. It's of state of being not a destination.

So, I don't know how she got that unless there are other verses to back that up?

Frank Goad said:

I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

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I think she's trying to make Hebrews 9:27 as if not saying the obvious. Die once physically. Then face a more serious eternal judgement crisis (we actually get the English word crisis from the Greek word for judgement).

You die once physically but what does she say about the second death - the lake of fire? If reincarnation were true it would not say 2nd death, it would say final or ultimate death. last of many deaths.. I'm not sure what it would say but 2nd death would not be meaningful.

Second death is mentioned 4 times, it seems consistent with no reincarnation and one physical death.


Taken together with dying once in Hebrews 9:27 it seems dying once physically and spritually facing a crises death in the lake of fire second is not consistent with reincarnation. (I feel)

I don't see any relationship between that verse and reincarnation. But Reincarnation in the Bible | Part 1 has a very extensive discussion of reincarnation from a Christian perspective.

sun rise said:

I don't see any relationship between that verse and reincarnation. But Reincarnation in the Bible | Part 1 has a very extensive discussion of reincarnation from a Christian perspective.

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Christians do not believe in reincarnation. You physically die once and the second death refers to either your spirit dies and burns in hell for eternity or your spirit lives on in the kingdom of Heaven for eternity.

Frank Goad said:

I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

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soul - spirit reincarnate as personalities, a personality dies always, every time.

Frank Goad said:

I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

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Reincarnation requires an immortal soul. Have we not put that to bed yet?

Have you read the verse in question in its context? You can never just pluck a verse out of thin air and attribute meaning to it unless it is in context...

Hebrews 9:24-28.....
"For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf. 25 This was not done to offer himself often, as when the high priest enters into the holy place from year to year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, he would have to suffer often from the founding of the world. But now he has manifested himself once for all time at the conclusion of the systems of things to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment, 28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin, and he will be seen by those earnestly looking for him for their salvation."

You see this passage has nothing to do with reincarnation.....it is Paul speaking about Christ's sacrifice.

The only judgment after death is due to the resurrection as Jesus said....

John 5:28-29...
"Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment."

This is not a judgment of deeds done before death, because death is the highest penalty for any sin.....
Romans 6:7..."For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin."

This is a judgment of sins committed during the thousand year of Christ's Kingdom where, at the end, he will bring a perfected human race back to into reconciliation with God. What Adam lost for his children, Jesus came to get back for them.

hey Leov,
Absolutely right on the spot !!!!

Frank Goad said:

I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

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Putting commas and other punctuation, when punctuation was not used, to give scripture the meaning one desires is a common way to create a doctrine or dogma. Taken as a whole the Biblical text does not support the belief in reincarnation. This does not mean that reincarnation is not true, but you cannot use the Bible to justify reincarnation.

Jesuslightoftheworld said:

Christians do not believe in reincarnation. You physically die once and the second death refers to either your spirit dies and burns in hell for eternity or your spirit lives on in the kingdom of Heaven for eternity.

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Some Christians do indeed believe in Reincarnation, but they cannot use the Bible to justify their belief.

How do they get out of their caskets ?

Frank Goad said:

I was talking to someone who believes in reincarnation (I can't tell you her name because she doesn't want to be made fun off)But she said if you look in Hebrews 9:27.There is a comma after the part were it says once to die.And she said if you read it and pause at the once to die part.And read all the other parts with the pause it sounds like reincarnation.Do you know what she is talking about?

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Depends on the Bible. Some have a comma, some have a period, some have a dash, and some bibles have no punctuation at all.

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shunyadragon said:

Some Christians do indeed believe in Reincarnation, but they cannot use the Bible to justify their belief.

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Correct, The Bible does not support that belief. So, if these so called Christians believe in it, then they don’t believe The Bible 100%. How does that work? Confused...

Sikhism, Arya Samaj and the Prajapita Brahmakumaris are also monotheistic religions like the Jehovah's Witnesses, believing in an incorporeal monotheistic God, and which accepts reincarnation as a central belief in their teachings.

In the west, the works of psychiatrists like Dr. Brian Weiss,
Dr.Michael Newton and Dr. Ian Stevenson have also shown that reincarnation may have its basis in reality and maybe a fact afterall.

Just as the Ebionites insisted strictly on a vegetarian diet, the early Christian gnostic sects as well as Origen also taught about the concept of reincarnation.

It is quite possible that reincarnation as a teaching was there in the early christian scriptures which were edited out by the romans in the councils of Nicea and Constantinople as it conflicted with their own ideas and sensibilities about spirituality. St. Jerome had criticized Origen's views on reincarnation in his writings.