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Is the God of Israel racist?

Is the God of Israel Racist? (in your opinion),

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • I haven't read the Bible

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
He had a chosen people who were his master race!
Really not sure people read the Bible: the Curse (Deuteronomy 28) put on the Chosen Race is to Exterminate most of them; the Lord makes clear it is an Evil Covenant placed onto the Children of Israel in Exodus 34:9-10; where they shall be removed by Holy Quantum Fire in Deuteronomy 29:19-27 for rejecting most of it, as they don't actually listen to the Bible.
The "nation of Islam" is very racist
Hardly anyone even follows Islam, as it means to accept all religious texts as Oneness (2:285); the Muhammadans don't read the Bible, they've rejected the Curse of Moses in the Bible, just the same as many of the other fake religions in this world.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Suppose you were coaching a team, and of all the team members, there was one player who was dedicated, reliable, and by far the top of his game, while the others were a mix of "don't carerish" Is that a word? ;) You know what I mean, right?, lazy, average to poor...

Say your team is in a game, and they are down, to some "underdogs". You need to bring on a player that will pull the team back up. You top player is on the bench with some of the other team members. Who would you pick from the bench?
Your top player, is gunning for the team. At the end of the day, he doesn't get the prize. The team does.

It's as simple as that Pope.
There was nothing special about the Israelites, but there was something special about Abraham - the man God chose as a means of accomplishing his will and purpose.
What was it about Abraham? (Romans 4:1-3 ;Galatians 3:5, 6; James 2:22, 23) He had what it took.

What did God need Abraham for? (Genesis 18:18, 19 ;Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:14) Come through for all.

Why did Israel become God's special property, out of all the nations? (Deuteronomy 9:4-6) They were part of the team that benefited.

Did God prevent anyone else from becoming part of his named people? (1 Kings 8:41, 42 ; Zechariah 8:23) No. Everyone was welcomed on the team... It was up to them.
If you had to choose between Manchester United or Gresik United, would you pick Gresik?
Some people don't want the team Abraham is on. They don't like his God... and that's fine. We have a choice.
The question is... will we pick the winning side.

If you don't, with a sincere, and honest heart, study the Bible with Jehovah's named people, how would you ever know and understand these things Pope?
I think if God would have asked Buddha to sacrifice his son, Buddha and many other non-Jews before Christ would have obeyed God.

It isn't right that only the descendants of Jacob should be given the truth with a few rare exceptions for thousands of years.

I think there are many people in North Korea who would lay down their lives for Christ if Christ would actually speak a clear message that people could audibly hear. I knew an atheist who was ready to greet Christ with open arms and tears of love, if Christ would but show him that he cares.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I think if God would have asked Buddha to sacrifice his son, Buddha and many other non-Jews before Christ would have obeyed God.

It isn't right that only the descendants of Jacob should be given the truth with a few rare exceptions for thousands of years.

I think there are many people in North Korea who would lay down their lives for Christ if Christ would actually speak a clear message that people could audibly hear. I knew an atheist who was ready to greet Christ with open arms and tears of love, if Christ would but show him that he cares.
God wasn't about to sit around and wait for Buddha to be born. Abraham was a descendant of Noah.

Are you sure you are in any position to say what isn't right? How so?
Also, are you in any position to know what's really in the heart of an Atheist... or even yourself? How so?

I don't even know what's in my heart sometimes.
The Bible warns against trusting in your own heart, which is treacherous.
Humility is not common with many, after age ten.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.

Deities were tribal back then. Each tribe had their own god.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.
It is a stupid question and it’s posts like this that I think clearly display biblical illiteracy and ignorance.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
The Bible seems to be a fill in the blanks text. Instead of taking it as it is people make a fair and just God out of it in their own minds. Only trouble is that it isn't real.

The vessels for destruction part reads that God made these people for the purposes of negative examples and to be destroyed. Of course people take it that they became vessels of destruction but had opportunity to accept God but wouldn't.

The Bible is definetly a read as you like to read it book that believers latch on to.

I try to read it literally, and make nothing more of it then the said things in it. And it's quite clear to me that it is the thoughts of ancient people and not a God.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.

The platform of the question you are asking is flawed in its essence though true in question.

1. By God of Israel you mean the God of the Old Testament of the Bible, or the Tanah. But also what you really mean is the character of God depicted in it. So by "God of Israel" you mean the Tanah, not the God himself.

2. God is not racist but people are. Whoever wrote the passages that depicts God as racist in any manner were voicing their personal sentiments in sacred manner. Basically they were writing their own needs and wants down in the language that looks like scripture.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@PopeADope and others:

quote רב אבדימי בר חמא בר חסא from Tr. Shabbat

Thank you. Very helpful! Much more helpful than what @RabbiO had to offer

Here is an article which explains the reference. It comes from the Babylonian Talmud Tractate Shabbat 88 ( I think ).

hyperlink >>> timesofisrael.com - Expressions Of Redemption

Edit to add: Confirmed. It is 88a of the Babylonian Talmud. Page 31 in the Steinsaltz English translated version published by Koren.
 
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Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Same with Judaism, Jewish people of all races are welcome in Israel.
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/6/17059744/israel-deport-african-migrants-asylum

Other people rejected God and God let them be on their own.
That's what the bible says and the authors are biased.

God has promised nice things for all, but only few want to be loyal to God.
I thought we should love our enemies because even sinners can love those who love them.

He refused to establish a covenant with the Philistines, Canaanites, or Egyptians .
Well, both El and Yahweh are Canaanite Gods, after all.

Say your team is in a game, and they are down, to some "underdogs". You need to bring on a player that will pull the team back up. You top player is on the bench with some of the other team members. Who would you pick from the bench?
Your top player, is gunning for the team. At the end of the day, he doesn't get the prize. The team does.
God is an incompetent coach who can't bring out the best in every member of the team?

Any religion have two parts, one that comes from personal experience the other from books written about personal experience.
Not every religion had or has books. Hebrew wasn't a written language until around the monarchy period of Israel.

He had what it took.
What did Abe accomplish? He nearly killed his son. He pimped out his sister wife to get tax breaks.

They were part of the team that benefited.
Israel fell into a civil war and got split up and both Israel and Judah got wiped off the map. If that's a benefit, I'd hate to see a problem.

God wasn't about to sit around and wait for Buddha to be born.
Why not? He waited for Jesus and Buddha predates Jesus.

The Bible warns against trusting in your own heart, which is treacherous.
So we should trust the hearts of people who had issues centuries ago?

Deities were tribal back then. Each tribe had their own god.
Indeed. The bible even notes this. Yahweh was assigned Hebrews by El.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
What did Abe accomplish? He nearly killed his son. He pimped out his sister wife to get tax breaks.
He was a man with weaknesses, like us, but he was humble, and put faith in God.

Israel fell into a civil war and got split up and both Israel and Judah got wiped off the map. If that's a benefit, I'd hate to see a problem.
Well, the had the opportunity to benefit. I guess the let down the coach.

Why not? He waited for Jesus and Buddha predates Jesus.
Jesus was perfect - the only true Messiah.

So we should trust the hearts of people who had issues centuries ago?
.
o_O:confused:
 

leov

Well-Known Member
He was a man with weaknesses, like us, but he was humble, and put faith in God.


Well, the had the opportunity to benefit. I guess the let down the coach.


Jesus was perfect - the only true Messiah.


o_O:confused:
It came from Sumer and Egypt before it became written in Hebrew...probably, much older.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Kelly: "Not every religion had or has books. Hebrew wasn't a written language until around the monarchy period of Israel."
That's Kelly's comment, not mine
Still lost though. You said "it". What does "it" refer to.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I'm not sure how you are using "racism" here. Do you mean that there are different rules for different groups? Sure -- non-Jews (according to Judaism) are bound by seven laws and must abide by them in order to get to "heaven" while Jews have hundreds. In fact, Judaism discourages conversion because we see staying a non-Jew and following just 7 laws as an easier path to get into God's good graces than trying to be a successful Jew.

Of course, we (for the most part) do allow converts from all races and ethnicities.

There is an interesting medrash (complementary story-text) which addresses the core of your question.

Offering the Torah to the Nations - Jewish Holidays

source Sifri, Deuteronomy 343

I think the Jews were but god probably wasn't racist.. The message is the book of Job is clearly opposed to xenophobia.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Name one part of the post that is biblically illiterate or ignorant and explain your reasons why please.
There is no way I could even address or have time to deal with all the ignorant parts of your post because every sentence is a twist of what the scriptures actually say or the point the writers mean to express. You seem to have an ability and/ or desire to twist the scriptures constantly. I’d say you are one referred to in 2 Peter 3:16 who ...”speaking of those things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught random unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the scriptures”.
Even the very title and first question is a false premise... “ Is the God of Israel a racist?”
The God of Israel as portrayed in the Bible is the God who created heaven and earth and all humanity, which includes all races. This God is revealed as a Creator who desires for all people to be set free from the destructiveness of their sin unto eternal life of peace and joy.
God is Love.
Calling God a racist is small minded and ignorant.
 
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