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Is the God of Israel racist?

Is the God of Israel Racist? (in your opinion),

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • I haven't read the Bible

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
I voted option 3 but i do have an interest. I cannot understand why believers in the abrahamic god venerate a personification who :-

Is claimed to be an omniscient and caring creator yet created a race he was not happy with and so commited genocide to correct his mistake.

Who created a race to worship him
then created plants and animals that can cause severe pain and anguish, even a slow, painful death.

Is claimed to be compassionate yet allows innocent children to suffer leukemia.

Is claimed to listen to prayers yet thousands of faithful children die of starvation.

Is claimed to condone murder, theft, beatings, slavery (including sex slavery), rape etc

If they want to believe in a god then surely they can do better than such a hateful, vindictive, cruel and callous myth as the one they choose.

And castigate those who do not follow their path.
Precisely,
I would like to hear you vent your thoughts about Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and their relationship with racism if you don't mind...
 

leov

Well-Known Member

about 2% of humanity (used to be more) has natural ability to see God (as Abraham). Archetypically God chosen Abraham as a seed to cultivate (genetically) a nation from Abraham (archetype) - Israel - those who see God. Holy race. That is the base of God's racism.[/QUOTE]
 

leov

Well-Known Member
@leov Could you run that by me one more time?
about 2% of humanity (used to be more) has natural ability to see God (as Abraham). Archetypically God chosen Abraham as a seed to cultivate (genetically) a nation from Abraham (archetype) - Israel - those who see God. Holy race. That is the base of God's racism.

See Ezra 9.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
without blue eyes and blonde hair

Info.

Blue eyes originated in the mid east, by the southern black sea, in what is now Turkey. The cause is a mutation in the gene next to the OCA2 gene which is responsible for the prediction of melanin.

I read a few years ago when i was looking into Ancient egypt that... It is believed the characters shown as blonde on Egyptian steles were Jewish
BlondEgypt.jpg
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Info.

Blue eyes originated in the mid east, by the southern black sea, in what is now Turkey. The cause is a mutation in the gene next to the OCA2 gene which is responsible for the prediction of melanin.

I read a few years ago when i was looking into Ancient egypt that... It is believed the characters shown as blonde on Egyptian steles were Jewish
View attachment 35840
Okay, thank you for pointing that out.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.
The story of the tower of Babel is sometimes used to justify segregation and exclusion of people by saying God designed people to not mingle together but rather spread out and apart. Birds of a feather ideology.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Precisely,
I would like to hear you vent your thoughts about Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and their relationship with racism if you don't mind...

I dont vent, do i?

Islam and Judaism, seem to be very tolerant of race. Take Mecca as an example, during Hajj muslims of all races from the darkest to lightest, from eastern to western congregate in what can only be described is very cramped conditions with no racial tension.

Same with Judaism, Jewish people of all races are welcome in Israel.

Those Jews and Muslims that i know don't have a racist bone in their body.

I cannot say the same of Christians having had several encounters with racist christians. The worse being the attempted murder of my mixed race twins. My (at that time) boyfriend and i have been verbally abused and spat on by people who are supposed to be christian.

This of course does not apply to all Christians, or even more then a small percentage. Some are at least tolerant of other races, most, like Muslims and Jews don't have a racist bone in their body. But like all things, it only takes a few rotten apples in a barrel?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

Did you ever contemplate the possibility that this part about Yahweh has been fabricated by human (wharped) minds, and not by Yahweh?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Hitler was an idiot by the way

Hitler was the catholic leader of a majority protestant country.
Statistically, the vast majority of his followers would have been christian. It took a lot od Christian idiots to work those gas chambers
 

1213

Well-Known Member
… He had a chosen people who were his master race!....

I think that is not true. Other people rejected God and God let them be on their own. Abraham didn’t reject God and that is why he got blessing from God. I think it is stupid to blame God, if people themselves are evil and love evil more than God and reject God. Why should God give anything good for people who would use it only for evil? There is no master race. God has promised nice things for all, but only few want to be loyal to God.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Hitler was the catholic leader of a majority protestant country.
Statistically, the vast majority of his followers would have been christian. It took a lot od Christian idiots to work those gas chambers

I never thought about this, but I trust you blind on this one. I do know that ca. 96% of the Dutch were Christians in 1900
So I did check and 81% of the Dutch were Christian around 1945. Nowadays in Holland only 45%.
Germany nowadays 60%. So probably there were at least 80% in Germany during the war.

Aha, I found the number: 95% were Christians in 1945 in Germany.

Wow. I never thought about this fact. So it seems indeed that Religion (Christianity) played a major part in killing a lot of people.

My first thought is now: Seems like there has been something really off in Christianity
(Teaching "Love thy neighbor as Thyself".+. killing of millions of Jews)
(Seems not reasonable to believe that the other 5% (non Christians) did all of the killing to me)

And this fact should humble the Christians.
If I were a Christian, I would never dare to declare "Christianity is the only true Religion". Just because of this fact you showed me now.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.

I'm not sure how you are using "racism" here. Do you mean that there are different rules for different groups? Sure -- non-Jews (according to Judaism) are bound by seven laws and must abide by them in order to get to "heaven" while Jews have hundreds. In fact, Judaism discourages conversion because we see staying a non-Jew and following just 7 laws as an easier path to get into God's good graces than trying to be a successful Jew.

Of course, we (for the most part) do allow converts from all races and ethnicities.

There is an interesting medrash (complementary story-text) which addresses the core of your question.

Offering the Torah to the Nations - Jewish Holidays

source Sifri, Deuteronomy 343
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.

I wonder if before being adopted by Rome if Yahweh was anything more than a tribal God. Rome didn't even really adopt Yahweh, They adopted Jesus and elevated him to the position of God. So Jesus not racist. Yahweh not racist, but tribal.
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
There is an interesting medrash (complementary story-text) which addresses the core of your question.

Offering the Torah to the Nations - Jewish Holidays

source Sifri, Deuteronomy 343
You're kinder and gentler today than I might be. Personally, I probably would have responded to @PopeADope with :facepalm:, but then I'm older than you and sometimes I get cranky.

Alternatively, I might also have chosen to quote רב אבדימי בר חמא בר חסא from Tr. Shabbat regarding the mountain.
 
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