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Bible friendly only: Saved by beliefs?

Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
 
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ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Given your restriction to opinion or evidence then all i can say is i think some people think they are saved by the grace of god.

As they say, its the thought that counts
 
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Jim said:
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
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I am not going to say how Christians should or should not believe the way they do :) But in my understanding Believing in itself is not enough to be saved, It is the work on once morality, ethics, and how they raise their wisdom from the teaching and how they cultivate the teaching within their own life that is the factor of how to become saved.
But since I am not a Christian what I say here will only be of my own understanding, and not taken from the Christian teaching
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Jim said:
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
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People were sometimes saved from
the inquisition by believing.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Aupmanyav said:
Impossible. It is knowledge that can save one, it is the action that can save one, not belief.
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Belief/hope promote action, especially in the face of an unknown future.
Action doesn't necessarily guarantee being saved, but it is a possible outcome.
Knowledge is the best motivation for action. However the ignorant have to make do with belief and hope for the best.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Jim said:
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
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Well in the spirit of Bible friendly, it's not going to hurt either way in the grand scheme of things. If one thinks his or her belief gets them through in life, more power to ya.
 
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Jim said:
:smiley: Good point, but as you might have guessed, that wasn’t the kind of “saved” that I had in mind.
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When you said saved by the grace of God, I thought you meant Christians were saved because they believe in God, but my point was that if humans do not raise their morality, ethics and become better as human beings how can God save them then when they don't do as he taught them to do?

My understanding of Grace of God is when humans actually become like God (pure and without any sins)
 
Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
Amanaki said:
When you said saved by the grace of God, I thought you meant Christians were saved because they believe in God, but my point was that if humans do not raise their morality, ethics and become better as human beings how can God save them then when they don't do as he taught them to do?

My understanding of Grace of God is when humans actually become like God (pure and without any sins)
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I’m thinking of “saved” in the New Testament as being the same as whatever Jesus means by “eternal life” and entering the kingdom of heaven. Currently I’m thinking that it’s a kind of awakening to the best possibilities in life. I don’t think that it happens by a person endorsing some beliefs. I think that sometimes it happens when a person sees God in Jesus, then trusts and follows Him. I don’t mean endorsing some belief about Jesus as God or the Son of God. I mean a direct experience of seeing God in Jesus, and responding spontaneously to that by trusting and following Him.

The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by grace, and just now I had second thoughts about my view of that. I was thinking of it as a misty kind of something that can surround a person and lead them to see God in Jesus, but now I see that it could just be another way of saying that it’s an unearned gift.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Jim said:
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
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Being saved "through faith" as the Bible says is not a one time thing. One and done. Now you're saved and that's it ... No. It's a life time of trusting in Jesus Christ and therefore walking with Him and so you can be saved through your continual trust in Him; by the grace of God working in your life.
 
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Audie

Audie

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Jim said:
:smiley: Good point, but as you might have guessed, that wasn’t the kind of “saved” that I had in mind.
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No, you were doing fantasy, wherein this being offers to
save you from itself ifn you perform just so, but there's
no way to be sure just what it wants.

I was doing reality.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Jim said:
I’m thinking of “saved” in the New Testament as being the same as whatever Jesus means by “eternal life” and entering the kingdom of heaven. Currently I’m thinking that it’s a kind of awakening to the best possibilities in life. I don’t think that it happens by a person endorsing some beliefs. I think that sometimes it happens when a person sees God in Jesus, then trusts and follows Him. I don’t mean endorsing some belief about Jesus as God or the Son of God. I mean a direct experience of seeing God in Jesus, and responding spontaneously to that by trusting and following Him.

The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by grace, and just now I had second thoughts about my view of that. I was thinking of it as a misty kind of something that can surround a person and lead them to see God in Jesus, but now I see that it could just be another way of saying that it’s an unearned gift.
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Could-but as noted above its kinda misty, no?
 
Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
74x12 said:
Being saved "through faith" as the Bible says is not a one time thing. One and done. Now you're saved and that's it ... No. It's a life time of trusting in Jesus Christ and therefore walking with Him and so you can be saved through your continual trust in Him; by the grace of God working in your life.
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That makes very good sense to me. Thanks for posting that!
 
Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
Jim said:
The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by grace, and just now I had second thoughts about my view of that. I was thinking of it as a misty kind of something that can surround a person and lead them to see God in Jesus, but now I see that it could just be another way of saying that it’s an unearned gift.
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Audie said:
Could-but as noted above its kinda misty, no?
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Yes. Sometimes it makes my eyes all misty, or even rainy. I like this answer now: post #13
 
Jesuslightoftheworld

Jesuslightoftheworld

The world has nothing to offer us!
Jim said:
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
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I could not have said it better myself. Trust is the key. Letting him have our lives and use our lives to spread His Grace. Alot of Christians give Christ a bad rap. Outsiders think of it as full of a bunch oh hypocrites. We have to show Him in our lives. The way we speak and behave. I heard Grace as being described as God couldn’t love us anymore or any less. Thanks for the reminder.
 
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Jesuslightoftheworld

Jesuslightoftheworld

The world has nothing to offer us!
So I just need to respond about what I believe to the Grace of God and how we are saved by it. There are two kinds of love. Human love and God’s love and they are very different. The closest humans can come to that love is the love a parent has for their child. Even then it doesn’t even come close. God’s love is called Grace. It is that love that He has for us (the world) that “He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life” I’m not preaching just explaining Grace in my point of view.
 
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Hawkins

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Jim said:
NOTE: What I mean by “Bible friendly” is that you’re agreeing not to criticize the Bible in this thread, or to criticize people trusting what it says.

I think that people are saved by the grace of God, through faith, but I don’t think that “faith” means endorsing some beliefs about God, about Jesus or about the Bible. I think that it means seeing God in Jesus, with our hearts, then trusting and following Him.

I think that If there’s anything that people need to know, about what to believe or what to do, Jesus is the one who can teach people the best, after they learn to trust and follow Him. Only God can make that happen, but I think He lets us help, as part of our personal relationship with Him. One way I see to do that is learning to be channels for His grace. Another way is by showing Him to people in our lives, in spiritual growth and community service, and telling His story, the way the Bible tells it.
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Definition is in the New Covenant. Faith is defined as faith in Christ. Judgment is turned from an objective Law judgment to a subjective judgment by Christ. Jesus will assess your faith in accordance to the covenant to make a judgment.

God has to hide behind in this process or else humans cannot be saved by faith.
 
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