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If you were shown irrefutable evidence that heaven or hell did not exist, would that interest you?

If you were shown irrefutable evidence that heaven or hell did not exist would you

  • Modify your faith in light of the evidence

    Votes: 9 33.3%

  • Accept the evidence while keeping your faith intact.

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • Ignore the evidence and continue as though you had not seen it

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • Other, please explain?

    Votes: 12 44.4%
  • Total voters
    27
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Etritonakin said:
Well... there was an "other: please explain" option.

As you said... you really can't provide such, anyway -but I would certainly have to modify my beliefs, etc., if shown proof of anything.

Now, see, that's just boring. I liked my other post better. :p
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Not boring at all, interesting in fact
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Samantha Rinne said:
Other, please explain.

I would immediately attempt to refute it.

Such a thing as "irrefutable" is not real. This is a way of telling people "I proclaim that you cannot refute my argument (because actually it is so flimsy that I can knock it apart with a touch and I want you give up with out a fight)."

Heaven and Hell do exist, Christine, regardless of what some hack has told you. But they are not what you understand them to be.

1. An Afterlife exists. But this is a matter of faith. This is experience that happens after death.
2. Heaven and Hell exist. This is not a matter of faith. This is because Heaven and Hell are emotional/spiritual states not places. The Afterlife can become like Heaven or Hell, but Heaven and Hell are also found in Earth. For example:
2a. You have just met the love of your life, found your dream job, and everything is going well (Heaven)
2b. You are alone, imprisoned, or on the streets and hungry (Hell)
3. These things are places too (you could conceivably dig into the Earth and find a volcanic portion that would nicely suit anyone's idea of Hell) but it's important not to see them as some sort of pie-in-the-sky ideal.
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Irrefutable, as in the sun exists and can be proven to exist, life ends and can be proven to end... Not real? Wow

1. Irrefutable evidence please. Or to be honest, "i believe an afterlife exists", saying "An Afterlife exists" is not an honest answer

2. See 1, you have just .... life, but hell i can relate to, been there, done that... Also life

3 a volcano is a volcano, the idea of hell common today (including yours) is based on 14th century shocking art and a comedy play.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
stvdv said:
I know of course. I can understand your english very well. When you write you are very clear. I like that.

And as I liked your OP, I gave it a few thoughts and

I just added my opinion IF another person (I was not talking about you in the OP), comes to me making such a claim.

So the word "fool" I wrote had nothing to do with you (just to be very clear, as to avoid any misunderstanding, as you twice explained what you meant + added the word 'But', I got the feeling you read something in my words that was not in my mind; so my reply was not clear it seems). In my mind I have a picture of "smart" when thinking of you. I hope this clarifies how I feel about you


Same as above. I liked it, that you added that line. I cannot provide such evidence either.


Because of the word 'But' I feel you have a different idea about stvdv then I have, as regard to this. So..

I only accept evidence of this kind, when I have experienced it myself.

In a way I was excluded to reply to the question asked in your OP, as I do not believe in an afterlife, nor do I ever think or contemplate about afterlife ever. So I did not answer the question, but just added an idea I got reading the OP.

When I experience afterlife then it's soon enough to start thinking and believing in afterlife for me.
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Ok, i understand, i was not having a dig, just pointing out my view.

And thanks for the "very clear" it means a lot
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
ChristineM said:
Not boring at all, interesting in fact
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I love it when my beliefs are challenged, shown to be illogical or shown to be false by actual proof!
Challenges lead to questions which can make some beliefs stronger -some beliefs are correct, but need a bit of tweaking -and why would anyone want to keep any belief actually shown to be false?

My core beliefs have not changed since here -and have become stronger by proofs, experience, etc., but many religious errors and assumptions -things taught but never really considered -have changed due to points made here.

What is the point of this sort of forum if everyone learns nothing from each other?
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I doubt if I "believe in" an "afterlife" in the manner the OP intends with their words, but the very concept of anyone having "irrefutable evidence" for anything pertaining to reality (especially the otherworlds) is not only nonsensical but utterly mindboggling. The implications of such a thing even being possible are far more compelling than the specific topic at hand. It is entirely at odds with the limits of humans as non-omniscient, non-omnipresent creatures. Simply mindboggling.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
ChristineM said:
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And love, i love my children, i love my husband, i love my family and i love my friends. ...
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Yeah, maybe most people love those who are important and useful for them. Bible tells we should love our neighbors and even enemies.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
1213 said:
Yeah, maybe most people love those who are important and useful for them. Bible tells we should love our neighbors and even enemies.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45
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So some guy rapes you, do you love him?
Someone kills your child, do you love them?
A conman steals all your grandparents saving leaving them destitute and homeless, do you love him?
A terrorist explodes a bomb maiming you and killing children do you love him?
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Dave Watchman said:
The Bible is still the most POPULAR book on the planet.

It's not about which book made the most money.

It's not like a box office take.

It's like the guy in the article said:

PLEASE NOTE: This list is not as much a measure of how many copies have sold, but a measure of book’s popularity. It’s also not a suggestion of literary merit. Most scholars agree that the greatest works of world literature were written by Homer, Shakespeare, Cervantes and Goethe. None of their works made the top-25 list.

The Bible vs. Mao: A "Best Guess" of the Top 25 Bestselling Books of All Time - Publishing Perspectives
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The Bible is the most printed and most popular book on the planet.

Dreadful sorry Clementine.


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Porn is pretty popular too, but I wouldn't exactly be proud of that fact.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
ChristineM said:
Inspired by a thread by @ideogenous_mover,
If an entity offered you as an atheist an after life after you lived, would that interest you

A question to all those with belief in the afterlife. If you were shown irrefutable evidence that heaven or hell did not exist would that,
evidence cause you to modify your faith? Would your faith in heaven/hell remain firm? Or would you dismiss the evidence?

Of course I cannot provide such irrefutable evidence, only circumstantial which is of no value to a believer.
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I believe it is impossible to have irrefutable evidence that something doesn't exist. There is always the possibility that one does not have enough information. There are probabilities course. For instance it is most likely that pink elephants are simply fictitious.
 
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