Shadow Wolf
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God's law is only important and only matters if you believe in god. Those who dont or believe in a different god ahould never be expected to be subjugated under the laws of your god.
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Christmas is over...
- Thread starter PoetPhilosopher
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As the Creator, it does not matter whether one believes in him or not. You cannot devalue the rights of the Universal Sovereign by convincing yourself that he doesn't exist.
I believe that the laws of God apply regardless of whether people uphold them or not. Just because people can apparently get away with breaking them, doesn't mean that God's justice will never be implemented.
People can be judged and sentenced to death by the legal system, but remain on death row for years. I see the disobedient and the godless as being on death row.
The Bible says that all will be forced to know God at the end. It will be a tough introduction for the majority unfortunately....but it is their choice to reject him or to ignore his laws. Breaking man's laws results in consequences.....why should God's laws be any different?
G-d's Law is for G-d to uphold.
Man's law is for man to uphold.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Because tons of us don't believe in your god, or believe god is petty enough to enforce his laws upon humans.
PureX
Veteran Member
You "true believers" are the exception to the rule. I agree that you should never vote.
As I see it, it is the pretend believers who see themselves as the exception to the rule. They only obey what is convenient and wave the rest away....however, with God, obedience to ALL of his laws is a requirement. Otherwise why would he bother giving them in the first place?
So does Jesus...
Who ever does what they promise?
God's law was given to Israel and it was administered by those whom he placed in positions of authority. God upheld his laws through his human agency.
Man's law does not override God's law. So many of God's laws have been trashed because, like spoilt children, humans want to do what humans want to do.....if God's law is in the way....they make up their own.
If people think that works for them, they may be in for a rude shock....
...just sayin....
A person? I certainly would try to save one! Or both! (So your analogy doesn’t fit the situation.) if I don’t vote, is someone going to drown? I fail to see the relevance.
Or do you view the whole political scene as “drowning” and needs ‘saving’? You must, and think one vote could “save” it.
We won’t....we expect it.
The Bible foretells that money-making religion, aka Babylon the Great (Revelation 17 & 18), will be attacked & destroyed by the political element. (It will happen soon...religion is getting less and less popular.) Not necessarily the people in those religions; just the institutions themselves.
That’s one way Jehovah accomplishes His purpose.... getting others to do it for Him.
Is that what you call it? Petty?
What do you call the laws of the country you reside in? Do you call them petty, too?
Is the law to care for each other, petty? Or is it the premarital sexual abstinence that you don't like?
(Because Mosaic laws are not in force.)
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
So, he's a manipulative and Machavellian?
When he has to have it his way, despite being a god, I call it very petty and it's something a tyrant wants. It's not like the laws of the land, where signs of its enforcement are abundant and many of those laws exist to help protect us. It's good saying my way of the highway without the common decency to make his existence apparent.
That's exactly how I view Jehovah God's laws.... they can be seen as fences that restrict your freedom: "Hey, I want to get over there!"....
Or, viewed as fences that keep you safe from dangers you're unaware of: "I never saw those lions on the other side!!"
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Except there are no lions, and in many cases (such as my own) honoring thy father is to honor a piece of **** who doesn't himself respect child or wife. Whether it be eating shellfish, idolatry, or women usurping authority over a man, breaking those laws is inconsequential. If there was any enforcement, those who preach the prosperity gospel would shrivel up and die contradicting Jesus' teachings and rules regarding wealth and those who are wealthy.
That’s the beauty of being a JW....no voting....then when things go belly up you can just put up your hands and say....”don’t blame me, I didn’t put him/her there”.
That's blame in itself.
Why do you mention laws that don't apply?....
Eating shellfish? ....
I'm sorry you've experienced so much hurt. My Dad wasn't a very good one, either. (If he'd lived by the Law of Love in the Scriptures... loved his wife & family, our lives would have been better, too)
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I mentioned laws from the OT through NT. Either one, things as execution for homosexuality is in there, amd it's not a law that protects anyone. Amd I mention the OT because Jesus explicitly stated he did not come to do away with the law or prophets and it still all applies, even warning against those who claim otherwise .
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
In my family, had my sperm donor practiced jumping out of airplanes without a parachute our lives would have been better. And as for Biblical law and policy, my mom doesn't submit to him, nor should she.
You will vote, like it or not.
A) The candidate I want.
B) Somebody else.
C) Whoever wins the system, however rigged.
You will vote. Like it or not.
Tom
Funny how humans are quick to blame God for just about everything when they want to justify carrying out their own will, but never blame themselves when ignoring his laws goes horribly wrong...go figure.
If professed "Christians" join the military and train to kill other human beings, they have already broken God's law as spoken through the teachings of his son....
"You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ’However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:44-45)
You can't love your enemy with weapons...you can't shoot them, bomb them or otherwise cause them harm....you can't even train to do that because it shows intent. So when patriotism gets to replace Christ's teachings, justification sees 'Christians' doing exactly what Christ condemned. In the two World Wars of the last century, didn't Catholic kill Catholic and Protestant kill Protestant....weren't the clergy right there in the ranks encouraging the slaughter of their "enemies"?.....whose side was Christ on do you think?
1 John 4:20-21...
"If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And we have this commandment from him, that whoever loves God must also love his brother."
Christians are under obligation to obey the Christ in all things......let the scriptures guide you, not the disobedient church. That was Israel's downfall.....when they disobeyed God, he abandoned them to the consequences of their justified actions.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Funny how only those who believe in a personal deity can blame god.Funny how humans are quick to blame God for just about everything when they want to justify carrying out their own will, but never blame themselves when ignoring his laws goes horribly wrong...go figure.