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Were you ever a closet atheist?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
As a kid I was a closet believer because I thought too many religious people were ridiculous, weak, pathetic, wimpy, fake, pitiful, hypocritical, or losers.

I know that sounds harsh, I'm just showing you where I was as a kid. I would brag about how I was an atheist, and actually wanted to be one.

I was ashamed of the fact that in secret I actually did believe in God and didn't want to identify with that crowd that talks and argues about and relies on an imaginary friend that can't be seen.

Can anyone else relate?
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I was a closet (and still am save for a few close friends) atheist, but for different reasons: being an atheist could get you imprisoned or, worse yet, beheaded where I used to live, and it could have dire consequences for me where I currently live as well--including with family.

However, I'm at peace with my atheism so much that it has been more than worth it to endure all the difficulties I have faced so far for being an atheist. To me, nothing matches the feeling of being honest with oneself and consistent with one's own moral and intellectual values regardless of what society or anyone else thinks.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I was a closet (and still am save for a few close friends) atheist, but for different reasons: being an atheist could get you imprisoned or, worse yet, beheaded where I used to live, and it could have dire consequences for me where I currently live as well--including with family.

However, I'm at peace with my atheism so much that it has been more than worth it to endure all the difficulties I have faced so far for being an atheist. To me, nothing matches the feeling of being honest with oneself and consistent with one's own moral and intellectual values regardless of what society or anyone else thinks.
Thats very sad. I'm glad you said that because it shows me how noble some atheists can be , because I admire people who suffer or are persecuted for what they believe in, but more importantly, I needed to be reminded that religious people are so insecure at times that they kill some one for simply not believing in an entity or person that can't be seen.

It's always good to be reminded of that from time to time
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Thats very sad. I'm glad you said that to show me how noble some atheists can be , because I admire people who suffer or are persecuted for what they believe in, but more importantly, I needed to be reminded that religious people are so insecure at times that they kill some one for simply not believing in an entity or person that can't be seen.

It's always good to be reminded of that from time to time

Some of my best and most supportive friends have been religious. I would say it has more to do with narrow-minded interpretations (of religious texts in general) that lack compassion rather than religious people full stop. Regressive culture doesn't help either.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
As a kid I was a closet believer because I thought too many religious people were ridiculous, weak, pathetic, wimpy, fake, pitiful, hypocritical, or losers.

I know that sounds harsh, I'm just showing you where I was as a kid. I would brag about how I was an atheist, and actually wanted to be one.

I was ashamed of the fact that in secret I actually did believe in God and didn't want to identify with that crowd that talks and argues about and relies on an imaginary friend that can't be seen.

Can anyone else relate?

I suppose I currently am. The subject of religious belief never comes up. We don't discuss it, except occasionally with my youngest son who is also an atheist. What one's religious belief is doesn't have any effect in my relationships so is unimportant. Though if anyone asked, I'd tell them the truth.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
True story, Pope. When I was in Boot Camp about a hundred years ago it was mandatory you attended a Sunday service. The Company Commander wanted to know where to send everyone, so he had us muster to ask the following questions:
"How many Protestants here?" About half raised their hands.
"How many Catholics here?" Again almost half raised their hands.
"How many Jews here?" A few hands went up.
Then he paused and looked around.
"Any Atheists here?"
Well, being 18 and no so smart, I slowly raised my hand. He walked right over and looked me in the eye.
"Son, you just became a Protestant!"
To this day I remember my very intelligent and brave response: "Aye, aye, sir!"
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
I was a Closet League of Nations, formed a CK2 Secret Society of League of Nations, in-game, treated as a heresy of PCUSA, had my heir study with a League of Nations, that's for the salic primogeniture rules.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
True story, Pope. When I was in Boot Camp about a hundred years ago it was mandatory you attended a Sunday service. The Company Commander wanted to know where to send everyone, so he had us muster to ask the following questions:
"How many Protestants here?" About half raised their hands.
"How many Catholics here?" Again almost half raised their hands.
"How many Jews here?" A few hands went up.
Then he paused and looked around.
"Any Atheists here?"
Well, being 18 and no so smart, I slowly raised my hand. He walked right over and looked me in the eye.
"Son, you just became a Protestant!"
To this day I remember my very intelligent and brave response: "Aye, aye, sir!"
Interesting. Makes me wonder how many protestants might actually be borderline unbelievers.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The title of this thread was supposed to have "closet-believer" not "closet atheist" in it. My bad.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
As a kid I was a closet believer because I thought too many religious people were ridiculous, weak, pathetic, wimpy, fake, pitiful, hypocritical, or losers.

I know that sounds harsh, I'm just showing you where I was as a kid. I would brag about how I was an atheist, and actually wanted to be one.

I was ashamed of the fact that in secret I actually did believe in God and didn't want to identify with that crowd that talks and argues about and relies on an imaginary friend that can't be seen.

Can anyone else relate?

My family was never particularly religious. I cannot remember either of my parents entering a church, save for weddings or funerals. So in practice, I was probably an atheist all of my life. But not in name, as I was unfamiliar with the word until much later in life.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I have had Christianity stuffed in my face so many times that I find it easier to comply or not say anything at all about my atheism.

Everyone has their own version of Jesus in my family. And they expect you to comply.

The only one who lets me be me is my mother, and my nephew is also an atheist.

I would even love to believe in a God. But reality kicks the belief right out of me.

About the only belief I got going is that there is some poor, beggarly eternal intelligence that must have created humans and all other forms of life. The creator ain't God, no, far from it. The creators of life must be very, very limited and schizophrenic. I don't share my belief with anyone, only RF'ers.

To me life is mysterious. And it will remain that way unto death. My beliefs, I see no need to drag them out of the closet.

It's all fun and games anyways.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I was a Jeffersonian Theist (aka, a flavor of Deism) for decades, all the while attending Methodist version of Christianity.

I did not hide, per say, that I did not believe Jesus was even a little divine (and back then, I still thought he was a historical, these days, not so much).

I had tossed out Hell Theology and all the trappings that went with-- yet it seldom came up, and indeed, I was often surprised to run into a fellow Methodist, who not only believed in hell, but in demons, devils, evil spirits and what-not. Sometimes, it literally astonished me-- but I learned how to mask my surprise, and to just nod and "mmm-hmm" to get along.

So I suppose I was a Closet Deist for decades-- does that count? :)

I only kicked the last trappings of Theism, when I recognized that I did not have any faith in any god(s)-- not even nebulously ill-defined ones. I used to love the movies by the late George Burns, Oh, God! because they were so very close to what I thought. Now, they are simply amusing, and a little cute.

It was kind of surprising, really, to realize a couple of years after the last dregs of faith had left me, that I was .... an atheist. (involuntary shudder) I was laboring under many Straw Man versions of what that actually was-- not the least Ayn Rand-ism (as ugly an example of Human Selfishness and Hypocrisy as you'll ever see).

So, in a way, for several years (around 2005) I was in the closet about being atheist. When asked, during those days, I'd reply "unbeliever" or "ex-believer" or (in a joke-tribute to QM) I'd say I had "Quantum-Faith", a kind of nod to Agnosticism.

These days? I only bring it up, if the subject comes up in conversation, in meat space. On the Intertubes, I'm pretty out-and-loud about atheism. But in meat space? I simply ignore that which some would find offensive-- I refuse to give them permission to offend me-- someone says, "God Bless" or "Have a Blessed Day"? I reply with either a nod-and-smile, or a thanks or similar-- depends on the situation. Why let them get to me, and spoil their day? Within seconds, I'm well away, and have forgotten the interaction, and they are on to the next customer, not realizing that their blind assumption that everyone is as theistic as they, isn't even a majority position anymore...

Same for family pray-time-- which is frequent-- I now stand (or sit) there quietly, but refuse to bow my head, or even close my eyes. I may look down a wee bit, but I decided that to set an example to the young'uns in my extended family: Not everyone believes in the Woo. They may find a Kindred Spirit (or they may laugh-- or even hear "he's of the devil" behind my back-- don't care anymore about such silliness).

Some would say, "But you gotta RESPECT their Traditions!"

No. You don't-- I'm not disruptive. I'm not humming, or going ahead and eating, nor tossing fake blood on fur, here-- I'm simply waiting silently until they Cast Their Magic Ritual over the food. But it's a silly notion: As if the Ultimate Creator has Got It All Wrong, and Needs Correcting or something. THAT is how I see praying. Or worse-- "thanking" a Magical Ghost, while 100% ignoring the human hands that made it all happen: From the farmers who planted the crops, to the migrant immigrants who harvested it (at too low wages) to the truckers who hauled it all the way to here, to the hard working grocers who put it all out in an appealing display, to the family members who prepared it all... None of those people get a mention. But Magic Sky Fairy gets credit? I could say these things and more-- but I remain silent and amused.

Magic Rituals are like that-- reminds me of Snow White, or Cinderella or even Star Wars.

May The Farce Be With You
... and Also With You.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I was a Jeffersonian Theist (aka, a flavor of Deism) for decades, all the while attending Methodist version of Christianity.

I did not hide, per say, that I did not believe Jesus was even a little divine (and back then, I still thought he was a historical, these days, not so much).

I had tossed out Hell Theology and all the trappings that went with-- yet it seldom came up, and indeed, I was often surprised to run into a fellow Methodist, who not only believed in hell, but in demons, devils, evil spirits and what-not. Sometimes, it literally astonished me-- but I learned how to mask my surprise, and to just nod and "mmm-hmm" to get along.

So I suppose I was a Closet Deist for decades-- does that count? :)

I only kicked the last trappings of Theism, when I recognized that I did not have any faith in any god(s)-- not even nebulously ill-defined ones. I used to love the movies by the late George Burns, Oh, God! because they were so very close to what I thought. Now, they are simply amusing, and a little cute.

It was kind of surprising, really, to realize a couple of years after the last dregs of faith had left me, that I was .... an atheist. (involuntary shudder) I was laboring under many Straw Man versions of what that actually was-- not the least Ayn Rand-ism (as ugly an example of Human Selfishness and Hypocrisy as you'll ever see).

So, in a way, for several years (around 2005) I was in the closet about being atheist. When asked, during those days, I'd reply "unbeliever" or "ex-believer" or (in a joke-tribute to QM) I'd say I had "Quantum-Faith", a kind of nod to Agnosticism.

These days? I only bring it up, if the subject comes up in conversation, in meat space. On the Intertubes, I'm pretty out-and-loud about atheism. But in meat space? I simply ignore that which some would find offensive-- I refuse to give them permission to offend me-- someone says, "God Bless" or "Have a Blessed Day"? I reply with either a nod-and-smile, or a thanks or similar-- depends on the situation. Why let them get to me, and spoil their day? Within seconds, I'm well away, and have forgotten the interaction, and they are on to the next customer, not realizing that their blind assumption that everyone is as theistic as they, isn't even a majority position anymore...

Same for family pray-time-- which is frequent-- I now stand (or sit) there quietly, but refuse to bow my head, or even close my eyes. I may look down a wee bit, but I decided that to set an example to the young'uns in my extended family: Not everyone believes in the Woo. They may find a Kindred Spirit (or they may laugh-- or even hear "he's of the devil" behind my back-- don't care anymore about such silliness).

Some would say, "But you gotta RESPECT their Traditions!"

No. You don't-- I'm not disruptive. I'm not humming, or going ahead and eating, nor tossing fake blood on fur, here-- I'm simply waiting silently until they Cast Their Magic Ritual over the food. But it's a silly notion: As if the Ultimate Creator has Got It All Wrong, and Needs Correcting or something. THAT is how I see praying. Or worse-- "thanking" a Magical Ghost, while 100% ignoring the human hands that made it all happen: From the farmers who planted the crops, to the migrant immigrants who harvested it (at too low wages) to the truckers who hauled it all the way to here, to the hard working grocers who put it all out in an appealing display, to the family members who prepared it all... None of those people get a mention. But Magic Sky Fairy gets credit? I could say these things and more-- but I remain silent and amused.

Magic Rituals are like that-- reminds me of Snow White, or Cinderella or even Star Wars.

May The Farce Be With You
... and Also With You.
I rated your post winner even though I pray a lot because you are choosing to follow your moral compass, conscience, and inner voice , choosing a difficult path that you believe to still contain more truth than what the theists believe.

You seem to suffer for what your beliefs are and are defiant and have every reason to resent people giving God all the credit when people are laboring and suffering so much.

Maybe the crucified Jesus labors and suffers with them, no? Maybe Jesus thinks a lot like you and would rather hang out with you than the religious people.

Just my two cents. Every Pence counts! :)
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I'm an atheist, I was never a closet atheist. It wasn't a "thing" where I grew up. My parents were enumerated Protestants, but we were left to decide our own way.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I never had to hide my unbelief, not even when I was a youth leader in church. I stated my unbelief when asked but didn't actively spread it. I wouldn't call that closeted but it may have been a surprise to someone who wasn't aware.
The deal lasted until the church decided that they had been too tolerant.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
As a kid I was a closet believer because I thought too many religious people were ridiculous, weak, pathetic, wimpy, fake, pitiful, hypocritical, or losers.

I know that sounds harsh, I'm just showing you where I was as a kid. I would brag about how I was an atheist, and actually wanted to be one.

I was ashamed of the fact that in secret I actually did believe in God and didn't want to identify with that crowd that talks and argues about and relies on an imaginary friend that can't be seen.

Can anyone else relate?

Around 20% of atheists in the United States believe that there is a higher power of some kind (Pew Research). But i dont know how many people who identify themselves as belonging to a religion and believe in higher powers etc actually are closet atheists. Honestly, it could be any number. We just don't know.

What i find fascinating about your question or post is that you were humble enough to identify that this could be, even if you are an atheist or a theist. Most people who believe in a God and belong to some religion find it impossible or unbelievable to acknowledge that there could be someone one who are closet disbelievers. When someone comes out and admits that he or she is an atheist its such a catastrophic event that they lose their so called "God given minds". I think its pathetic and their so called "faith in God" is so weak and vulnerable. Insecure. Thats why they flip like that.

I dont know if this goes both ways.
 
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