The irony in the Baha'i faith

TransmutingSoul · Dec 22, 2019

Terry Sampson said:
Nonsense.
If you want to discuss the arguments of some Jews against Jesus, start a new thread.
If you want to discuss the arguments of some Jews against Paul, start a new thread.
If you want to discuss the arguments of some Jews against Christian "Replacement" theology within the last couple of hundred years, start a new thread,
If you want to learn something new, about "double covenant" theology, start a new thread.
By the way, you may want to bail Jim out of an awkward situation, go over to No need to believe in the literal truth of any theories or any Bible stories. If you do go there, take The Real Resurrection of Jesus with you. And maybe when you're finished there, you Baha'i can hold an on-line conference and get your terminology straight: was Jesus' resurrection literal, spiritual, metaphorical, allegorical, or whatever you guys want to call it.
And you may want to stop using the title "Christ", there's only been and only ever will be one, the same who was crucified, entombed, and resurrected, and who ascended into heaven and later appeared to Paul, but did not come back as Baha'u'llah.

I acknowledge your right to take of and what was of Christ, as you choose to see.

Regards Tony

Terry Sampson · Dec 22, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I acknowledge your right to take of and what was of Christ, as you choose to see.

That's it? No recanting your false claim? Cool. One more for my "ignore" list.

loverofhumanity · Dec 22, 2019

Sirona said:
Hi folks,

The irony in the Baha'i faith is that they, despite their claim to do otherwise, facilitate religious animosities or at least irritation between religious groups (at least against themselves) by devaluing other people‘s religious backgrounds, which by nature is a very personal thing and might easily lead to feelings of being offended.

Of course, in the first place, like any other people, Baha'is are individuals, but my intent is to describe what I see as an overall characteristic in that faith, regardless of any anecdotal evidence.

Please discuss.

Before I became a Baha’i I had no respect for any religion. I considered all who believe to be mentally diseased and sick and in need of psychiatric evaluation and lesser human beings who clutter up this world with superstitious nonsense and garbage and that all religion should be banned and all religionists reformed into proper human beings.

Now as a Baha’i I cherish with my very life hosting people of all Faiths in my home. I recently had Muslims, Christians and Hindus in my home and we had lunch together. Now I read all the Holy Books and love them all. To me all religions teach truth.

Now I treasure people I previously had nothing but contempt for and all because Baha’u’llah teaches us these things. We are far from perfect and I will be the very first to say I have made many mistakes but despite that I love you all.

The Hammer · Dec 22, 2019

Sirona said:
Hi folks,

The irony in the Baha'i faith is that they, despite their claim to do otherwise, facilitate religious animosities or at least irritation between religious groups (at least against themselves) by devaluing other people‘s religious backgrounds, which by nature is a very personal thing and might easily lead to feelings of being offended.

Of course, in the first place, like any other people, Baha'is are individuals, but my intent is to describe what I see as an overall characteristic in that faith, regardless of any anecdotal evidence.

Please discuss.

With the handful of Baha'i I have encountered in real life and not online, I find this to be accurate, they were very condescending, if not outright rude. But if that's a faith related thing idk. Monotheism in general seems to attract those with egos, regardless of how enlightened they are.

CG Didymus · Dec 22, 2019

Sirona said:
The irony in the Baha'i faith is that they, despite their claim to do otherwise, facilitate religious animosities or at least irritation between religious groups (at least against themselves) by devaluing other people‘s religious backgrounds, which by nature is a very personal thing and might easily lead to feelings of being offended.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It a learning curve for us all.

And what have you learned?

Vinayaka said:
And maybe that's a good thing.

I'd think that a Baha'i should show respect for people of other religions... And know that those people are going to have different beliefs. But, instead of finding the commonalities, many Baha'is seem happy to push people from other religions away. That is not what they are supposed to be doing, so it can't be good for them.

Vinayaka · Dec 22, 2019

CG Didymus said:
And what have you learned?

I'd think that a Baha'i should show respect for people of other religions... And know that those people are going to have different beliefs. But, instead of finding the commonalities, many Baha'is seem happy to push people from other religions away. That is not what they are supposed to be doing, so it can't be good for them.

It's not good for them. Quite the conundrum. The harder you try the worse it gets.

CG Didymus · Dec 22, 2019

Terry Sampson said:
Nonsense.
If you want to discuss the arguments of some Jews against Jesus, start a new thread.
If you want to discuss the arguments of some Jews against Paul, start a new thread.
If you want to discuss the arguments of some Jews against Christian "Replacement" theology within the last couple of hundred years, start a new thread,
If you want to learn something new, about "double covenant" theology, start a new thread.
By the way, you may want to bail Jim out of an awkward situation, go over to No need to believe in the literal truth of any theories or any Bible stories. If you do go there, take The Real Resurrection of Jesus with you. And maybe when you're finished there, you Baha'i can hold an on-line conference and get your terminology straight: was Jesus' resurrection literal, spiritual, metaphorical, allegorical, or whatever you guys want to call it.
And you may want to stop using the title "Christ", there's only been and only ever will be one, the same who was crucified, entombed, and resurrected, and who ascended into heaven and later appeared to Paul, but did not come back as Baha'u'llah.

I liked how you used the metaphorically risen Christ in that other thread. I think Baha'is find making the resurrection "metaphorical" is a way to deny Christianity, while at the same time being able to say they believe in Jesus.

CG Didymus · Dec 22, 2019

Vinayaka said:
It's not good for them. Quite the conundrum. The harder you try the worse it gets.

At least I'm not being called "biased" and as having a "vendetta" against them right now. I quit fighting with them, because it was getting worse.

CG Didymus · Dec 22, 2019

Terry Sampson said:
That's it? No recanting your false claim? Cool. One more for my "ignore" list.

And again, why are Baha'is pushing people in other religions away? To think at one time I almost joined them.

Vinayaka · Dec 22, 2019

CG Didymus said:
At least I'm not being called "biased" and as having a "vendetta" against them right now. I quit fighting with them, because it was getting worse.

Generally when you argue with someone of a certain mindset, they just dig their heels in deeper. It goes nowhere. Over the last two years I've probably tried 20 different ideas, and none of them worked. Impossible nuts to crack.

But I do see it as a good thing. The last thing the planet needs is more really intolerant stuck in the middle ages inflexible people. So when curious people do come along, it's fine with me if the nastiness and condescending stuff turns them away. There are many wonderful tolerant faiths one can find.

Aupmanyav · Dec 22, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The best and most lasting change comes about by our own free will.
That is the change we can all try to. Implement.

If we have to do all things, what is the need to have an Allah and scores of his manifestations?

adrian009 said:
It is one thing of course to say it and another to live by it.

What, if the words that you live by themselves are untruth?

loverofhumanity · Dec 22, 2019

The Hammer said:
With the handful of Baha'i I have encountered in real life and not online, I find this to be accurate, they were very condescending, if not outright rude. But if that's a faith related thing idk. Monotheism in general seems to attract those with egos, regardless of how enlightened they are.

How many Baha’is did you meet and how long did you speak with them and what did they say that you felt was rude, condescending and egotistical?

Jedster · Dec 22, 2019

The Hammer said:
With the handful of Baha'i I have encountered in real life and not online, I find this to be accurate, they were very condescending, if not outright rude. But if that's a faith related thing idk. Monotheism in general seems to attract those with egos, regardless of how enlightened they are.

I have met many more than a handful and find the exact opposite to you, especially compared to many other 'Abrahamics'.

loverofhumanity · Dec 22, 2019

Sirona said:
Hi folks,

The irony in the Baha'i faith is that they, despite their claim to do otherwise, facilitate religious animosities or at least irritation between religious groups (at least against themselves) by devaluing other people‘s religious backgrounds, which by nature is a very personal thing and might easily lead to feelings of being offended.

Of course, in the first place, like any other people, Baha'is are individuals, but my intent is to describe what I see as an overall characteristic in that faith, regardless of any anecdotal evidence.

Please discuss.

What specifically is it you are actually accusing us of? Do we all do this? How many Baha’is have you met, how many Baha’i homes have you visited? Have you gone to any Baha’i meetings or read any of our books? How long have you heard about Baha’i?

The Hammer · Dec 22, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
How many Baha’is did you meet and how long did you speak with them and what did they say that you felt was rude, condescending and egotistical?

That would take too long to explain, and you do not speak for them, anyways. One of them was a gentleman I worked with for several months, though.

Edit: Grammar

The Hammer · Dec 22, 2019

Jedster said:
I have met many more than a handful and find the exact opposite to you, especially compared to many other 'Abrahamics'.

I am glad. I would hope not all of them were like that.

loverofhumanity · Dec 22, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I acknowledge your right to take of and what was of Christ, as you choose to see.

Regards Tony

Tony, maybe we should all leave this forum as it’s abundantly clear we are not wanted here?

loverofhumanity · Dec 22, 2019

The Hammer said:
That would take too long to explain, and you do not speak for them, anyways. One of them was a gentleman I worked with for several months, though.

Edit: Grammar

I’m really sorry you had that bad experience.

Dawnofhope · Dec 22, 2019

Aupmanyav said:
What, if the words that you live by themselves are untruth?

What if they are true?

leov · Dec 23, 2019

wandering peacefully said:
You will be bombarded by denials. But it isn't necessary to point out the obvious to everyone else of other faiths.

The sharing of personal beliefs which are seen as something everyone else should follow will always be arrogant and divisive.

All religions have similar path. Baha'l is the same way, different is that it formed when wisdom was in state of higher maturity than , say, Christianity or Islam or....Faith, Hope and Agape are the stages we grow into through knowledge.

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