Wandering Monk
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The longer I live, the more this seems to be true: We create God in our own image (our psyche.)
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Christianity vs. Islam
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whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
It doesn't death came to Jesus who was not a sinner
and that is why Jesus could die for others
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Although Jesus was more than a symbol, really living, really dying for sins, really rising.\
Rising shows 'the check cleared' as far as paying for sins
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
I wouldn't call it unconditional when the condition to stay out of hell is belief in Jesus.
AJustA
New Member
hi to you , yes im always are happy and fun cuz im muslim and im going to haven so easily .
'tiz you belief and you are welcome to it... Enjoy
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
The core of Christian doctrine is "God made man", aka the incarnation of the logos as the historical figure of Jesus Christ. This is obviously an anthropomorphism of God, take it or leave it. The centerpiece and raison d'être of Christianity is in the resurrection of Jesus, the idea that his death liberated humanity from it's primordial crutches (re: the fall and "original sin").
The core of Islamic doctrine is the all-encompassing Unity of God. God does not incarnate but all things are the expression of God and a reflection of God's knowledge. Islam is opposed to anthropomorphism because anthropomorphism does not even begin to grasp at God, in the Islamic view God is beyond any conceptualization. As Surah 16:3 states "Highly exalted is he above all they associate with him". (this includes taking "he" and "him" literally)
In the Islamic view this does not make for a dry relation of the worshiper with God but rather an ocean of knowledge. Attaining to Ihsan (perfection, gnosis) the very idea of separation between worshiper and God dissolves in some sense because our very temporality is illusory within God's absolute-reality. All of this can be found right there in Surah Ikhlas.
As Prophet Muhammad said in a very beautiful Hadith:
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Shad
Veteran Member
When I was a Christian the explanation was a version of tough love or an act does not cause one to stop loving a person. Think of people that love someone they knew committed a crime and was convicted. Obviously that explanation did work with me for very long
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Oh that makes genocide, mass murderer, theft, rape, sex slavery all good then,
It makes a book that many take literally into a dangerous and unregulated teaching tool and wrapon
Shad
Veteran Member
Allah is also called Just. All merciful and all justi are incompatible.
sooda
Veteran Member
According to the Koran it is forbidden to kill women, children, the elderly, non-combatants and livestock. It is also forbidden to destroy crops, trees and water sources. There are other rules about defensive war and being willing to negotiate a truce.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
One good quote I heard once is that "Christianity is God-individualized and Man-Universalized".
This is of course a completely different view to Islam with God's Absoluteness being fully emphasized in the more core of doctrines, Tawhid (Unity of God). God-as-reality-itself (al-Haqq) rather than some kind of image, symbol or even idea. And of course, as-Samad.
The best way to see it is that Christianity deals with individuality whereas Islam deals with Ontology. This also explains why the Christian view is more similar to the bhakti view in Hinduism where an object of veneration is taken as the path towards realization, whereas the Islamic view is closer to a Buddhist (funny enough) in that the negations of forms combined with a system of way/path (Sirat al-Mustaqim) being the entry point to realization, through balance of abstinence and indulgence.
This is of course a completely different view to Islam with God's Absoluteness being fully emphasized in the more core of doctrines, Tawhid (Unity of God). God-as-reality-itself (al-Haqq) rather than some kind of image, symbol or even idea. And of course, as-Samad.
The best way to see it is that Christianity deals with individuality whereas Islam deals with Ontology. This also explains why the Christian view is more similar to the bhakti view in Hinduism where an object of veneration is taken as the path towards realization, whereas the Islamic view is closer to a Buddhist (funny enough) in that the negations of forms combined with a system of way/path (Sirat al-Mustaqim) being the entry point to realization, through balance of abstinence and indulgence.
Shad
Veteran Member
To keep it short the concept of God makes it impossible for God to order an evil for the sake of evil. Everything is done for a good purpose be it one we can see now or later. Of course it is all post-hoc rationalizations used to excuse people of their own conduct because God told them to in my view.
If I remember correctly after the Holocaust there were some Jews that believed the Holocaust was punishment by God against Jews. Hitler was merely a tool nor merely evil by his own accord. Ergo as per the above point even when something horrible is inflicted upon an individual they can convince themselves that God willed it to happen. They seek to blame themselves rather than question a belief system.
Yup especially when the rationalization are told to children before they are capable of handing the subject. IE Told what to think nor how to think.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And also times to butcher, ambush, and enslave. And it's not new. Such as the problem with 18th century Muslim pirates who were, as they believed their religious right, taking slaves from vessels they raided.
sooda
Veteran Member
The Barbary pirates weren't all Muslims.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
True. But the reason the final draft of the treaty of tripoli included the bit is America not being founded on Christian principles is to make it clear to the "Musslemen" that the US possess no inherent hostility towards them or any "Mehomitan country" over religious differences.
sooda
Veteran Member
Most of them were Europeans (Christians) who had operated on letters of marque before going rogue and settling in ports along the coast of Libya.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Some of them where. But the evidence we have makes it clear these were largely Muslim ships, acting for a Muslim nation.