McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Jesus had to Judge them before deciding they were hypocrites, right?
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Christianity Today article regarding Trump impeachment.
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Hey, I have enough blood guilt on my hands since the day I turned 21 and voted for Nixon !
I feel I learned my lesson well. Best to just take sides with what Jesus taught.
Unlike us, Jesus could read hearts, besides Jesus already was aware what those corrupted religious leaders were teaching was Not God's teachings but men's ideas instead of Scripture as per Matthew 15:9
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
Ah, So Christians are NOT to be like Jesus then...?
In Bible speak, so to speak, we might Not think of a president as a ruler, perhaps more like a leader.
People do say, " Hail to the Chief ! " Yet when we hear the word ' chief ' we don't necessarily think ruler but leader.
Who was the ' ruler ' at the time of Exodus 22:28 ______________
The people were Not to curse the ruler of their people, and that follows through at Acts of the Apostles 23:5 B.
Huh? Jesus is the model example to follow as per 1 Peter 2:21
Jesus was always neutral and his real followers will also be neutral in world affairs - John 17:14-16
The corrupted religious world may prove to be a reason why the political will be turning on the religion.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
So it is your claim the Pharisees were not leaders in world affairs, were not political leaders?
Jesus judged them immoral AND called them out on it.
Yet here you are saying Christians are not even allowed to judge, let alone call out.
Yet you are ALSO claiming that Christians are to try to be like Jesus.
And you seem incapable of seeing any problem there
sooda
Veteran Member
In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus is not politically neutral. He is addressing the burning issue of the day. .. Roman oppression of the Jews and Roman law. He is trying to teach non-violent liberation theology.
Are you saying we shouldn't vote?
Ah, I get it. The Amish are the true Christians.
Pharisees were religious leaders, the Romans were the political leaders.
I see No problem with what is written at Romans 13 because the higher powers are the secular superior authorities.
Christians go by what it says at Titus 3:1-2; 1 Peter 2:13-14 to be in subjection to the secular authorities UNLESS the secular authorities want you to do something unscriptural as per Acts of the Apostles 5:29.
Then, at that point the line is drawn and a Christian would choose to obey God as Ruler rather then men.
Once the secular wants a Christian to No longer be neutral, then the Christian would choose to obey God over man.
If Jesus was alive on Earth today who would Jesus vote for ___________
Jesus believed that God's kingdom ( God's government - Daniel 2:44 ) is the solution to mankind's troubles.
That is why God's kingdom is a theme of Jesus' teachings - Luke 4:43; Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Since God appointed Jesus to be king (ruler/ president) of God's kingdom then to me logically Christians consider Jesus to be in office.
Christians live all over the Earth and to Not be neutral would cause division and Not brotherly harmony.
sooda
Veteran Member
I recall when I was about 9 years old my family went to Lancaster, PA to visit someone in the hospital.
I was allowed to cross the street to get something to eat.
On the way back the traffic light was red.
Two Amish kids stood behind me ( the body odor was so bad I could gag ) and when the light turned green both kids pushed me laughing the whole time. I found nothing ' Christian ' about their behavior.
Also, the Amish follow lots of 'traditions of men' over Scripture.
Of course God's kingdom is spiritual in nature, but that does Not mean it is Not a real government - Daniel 2:44
We are to be spiritual people and that does Not mean we are Not people - Galatians 5:22-23.
The huge political statue of Daniel chapter 2 is about the rise and fall of world powers.
A figurative ' stone ' hits the feet of that huge statue bringing an end to men's governing over men (Ecclesiastes 8:9)
Thus, we are now at the time of the feet, or more like the time of the toes, or even the toenails !.
sooda
Veteran Member
The Book of Daniel was written in 167 BC.. He was NEVER in Babylon.
Of course, Jesus was Not neutral regarding God's kingdom government (Daniel 2:44)
God's kingdom was a theme of Jesus ' teachings - Luke 4:43; Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
By being non-violent Jesus was also being neutral in not taking sides in men's issues of the day.
Jesus did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans.
sooda
Veteran Member
The Book of Daniel was written about Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
Wasn't Nebby ( Nebuchadnezzar ) in Babylon __________
Danny Boy records Nebby's boasting about his building projects at Daniel 4:30.
Archaeologists confirm that Nebby was indeed the one behind a great deal of building done in Babylon.
Nebby was so prideful. so boastful, that Nebby even had his name put on the very bricks !
If Daniel was Not in Babylon during the Maccabean times (167-63) could he have known about such building projects__________
Of course.