Whistleblower to IRS: "Mormon Church has amassed $100 billion in tax-empt fund

URAVIP2ME · Dec 18, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
An investigation published by the Washington Post Monday night focuses on a complaint filed by a whistle-blower⁠ who alleges the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints holds $100 billion in a charitable fund from member donations that hasn’t been spent in over 20 years⁠—but is instead reportedly intended for the “second coming of Christ.”....................

Before the ' second coming ' a bad economy could cause ' the powers that be ' to see the wealth the religions have amassed to be easy for their taking.
Before the ' second coming ' the political will surprisingly turn on the religious world .
- 1 Peter 4:17; 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3
So, No amount of wealth will be of any value - Ezekiel 7:19; Zephaniah 1:18.

paarsurrey · Dec 19, 2019

Friends @Dan From Smithville and @Jedster !

Did one find out the clues in my post #177?.

"but his (Jesus') bones were not broken by the Romans
so that he (Jesus) survives
but of course he died later naturally
when he () was very old."

This is also a good news for the Christians and LDS. Their beloved Jesus did not die on the Cross though Judaism people tried their best. Right, please?
The money collected to welcome "Second Coming", if there is any such money ,therefore, should be donated voluntarily to the Charity "Humanity First Canada". Right, please?

Regards

danieldemol · Dec 19, 2019

paarsurrey said:
But Jesus is not a Scientist. Right, please?

Regards

Jesus wasn’t a scientist, but God is supposed to be omniscient which is precisely why we can subject any and all alleged “revelations” to scientific scrutiny.

PruePhillip · Dec 19, 2019

Woberts said:
I didn't think it was possible for the Mormons to be more repugnant. The September Six and all those like them, and now this.

Didn't know what "September Six" was. I Googled the topic.
The views of these six seem to be rather radical, even Marxist,
radical feminist and PC cultural stuff. These people wouldn't
be comfortable in most conservative churches.

PruePhillip · Dec 19, 2019

paarsurrey said:
Friends @Dan From Smithville and @Jedster !

Did one find out the clues in my post #177?.

"but his (Jesus') bones were not broken by the Romans

so that he (Jesus) survives

but of course he died later naturally

when he () was very old."

This is also a good news for the Christians and LDS. Their beloved Jesus did not die on the Cross though Judaism people tried their best. Right, please?
The money collected to welcome "Second Coming", if there is any such money ,therefore, should be donated voluntarily to the Charity "Humanity First Canada". Right, please?

Regards

Sounds like Radical Revisionist stuff.
It's the testimonial of about six contemporary people that Jesus died on the cross.
The Old Testament prophecies of him spoke of him not only dying for His people
but dying upon a cross.

danieldemol · Dec 19, 2019

Jedster said:
Really? Please prove this.

All you have to do is to prove that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is who you say he is.
This forum is your opportunity.

Perhaps they will be impressed by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s English revelations, such as, “We can what we will do”.1
Rofl

1 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s English Revela

Jedster · Dec 19, 2019

danieldemol said:
Perhaps they will be impressed by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s English revelations, such as, “We can what we will do”.1
Rofl

1 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s English Revela

My own opinion on all this stuff is that people should have their own experiences and not rely on books written years ago by, now dead, persons.
I mean look at the enmity between peoples because of how they differently interpret the same book(s).
The majority of the Muslim world do not recognise Ahmadis or Bahais and persecute both groups.

If people put away their scriptures and had an honest look at what is in their own experiences, and based their communications on that, the human race might be able to progress beyond this continual conflict or 'I am right..you are wrong'.

As the author of the Amrtabindu Upanishad has written

The sage should study the scriptures in his search
for knowledge; but then he should leave them, like the
chaff that is left behind, when the grains
of rice have been winnowed.

@danieldemol avoir the plus beau jour

(I am practising a bit of French)

PruePhillip · Dec 19, 2019

Jedster said:
My own opinion on all this stuff is that people should have their own experiences and not rely on books written years ago by, now dead, persons.
I mean look at the enmity between peoples because of how they differently interpret the same book(s).
The majority of the Muslim world do not recognise Ahmadis or Bahais and persecute both groups.

If people put away their scriptures and had an honest look at what is in their own experiences, and based their communications on that, the human race might be able to progress beyond this continual conflict or 'I am right..you are wrong'.

As the author of the Amrtabindu Upanishad has written

The sage should study the scriptures in his search
for knowledge; but then he should leave them, like the
chaff that is left behind, when the grains
of rice have been winnowed.

@danieldemol avoir the plus beau jour (I am practising a bit of French)

This would apply to economics and political science too?
Imagine if we couldn't learn from history, if the only philosophers
we knew were those alive today - trying to re-learn ideas that
other generations knew by reading Socrates and Plato.
Imagine, nothing transmitted from the past. It's a strange thought -
all the books burned, the museums shut down, statues destroyed.

And it would be even more terrifying for religion. The great moral
codes of the past, the story of the Jewish people, the Messiah,
etc.. All trashed. Everyone becomes their own god. You only obey
the rules that accord with your moral viewpoint.

People would quickly be preyed upon by all sorts of existentialist
and Marxist devils.

Jedster · Dec 19, 2019

PruePhillip said:
This would apply to economics and political science too?
Imagine if we couldn't learn from history, if the only philosophers
we knew were those alive today - trying to re-learn ideas that
other generations knew by reading Socrates and Plato.
Imagine, nothing transmitted from the past. It's a strange thought -
all the books burned, the museums shut down, statues destroyed.

And it would be even more terrifying for religion. The great moral
codes of the past, the story of the Jewish people, the Messiah,
etc.. All trashed. Everyone becomes their own god. You only obey
the rules that accord with your moral viewpoint.

People would quickly be preyed upon by all sorts of existentialist
and Marxist devils.

I was trying to say that many of the books have almost become deified, not to burn them.
As time passes, it is clear that some laws and attitudes are simply wrong, but noone will change them because of what is written is believed to be sacrosanct. These books should not set a precedent, but they do in the minds of many.
I think that people do not believe in them-selves enough.

paarsurrey · Dec 19, 2019

danieldemol said:
Perhaps they will be impressed by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s English revelations, such as, “We can what we will do”.1
Rofl

1 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s English Revela

Our Holy Book is Quran authored by G-d.

Regards

Dan From Smithville · Dec 19, 2019

paarsurrey said:
Friends @Dan From Smithville and @Jedster !

Did one find out the clues in my post #177?.

"but his (Jesus') bones were not broken by the Romans

so that he (Jesus) survives

but of course he died later naturally

when he () was very old."

This is also a good news for the Christians and LDS. Their beloved Jesus did not die on the Cross though Judaism people tried their best. Right, please?
The money collected to welcome "Second Coming", if there is any such money ,therefore, should be donated voluntarily to the Charity "Humanity First Canada". Right, please?

Regards

There are always claims of evidence. Then claims it will soon be provided. Then it is never provided.

It is consistent pattern.

Dan From Smithville · Dec 19, 2019

paarsurrey said:
Our Holy Book is Quran authored by G-d.

Regards

Another claim with no evidence.

Creationist tactics are not confined to one religion.

Dan From Smithville · Dec 19, 2019

Jedster said:
I was trying to say that many of the books have almost become deified, not to burn them.
As time passes, it is clear that some laws and attitudes are simply wrong, but noone will change them because of what is written is believed to be sacrosanct. These books should not set a precedent, but they do in the minds of many.
I think that people do not believe in them-selves enough.

Interestingly, one of the books that has become deified contains within it a rule against creating false idols.

Woberts · Dec 19, 2019

PruePhillip said:
Didn't know what "September Six" was. I Googled the topic.
The views of these six seem to be rather radical, even Marxist,
radical feminist and PC cultural stuff. These people wouldn't
be comfortable in most conservative churches.

Believing in equality between the sexes isn't radical.

paarsurrey · Dec 19, 2019

Dan From Smithville said:
There are always claims of evidence. Then claims it will soon be provided. Then it is never provided.

It is consistent pattern.

I provided the clues.
The first one is:
"but his (Jesus') bones were not broken by the Romans"

Jesus had a sturdy/strong body and physique, he was for a few hours only on the Cross, he had all the possibility to live and survive. The Roman official Pilate*:

did not find Jesus to be guilty
Pilate's wife had also seen a dream to that effect
She prevailed upon Pilate so that Jesus does not die
Pilate washed off his hands in token of the above

Pilate could not free Jesus openly, so he maneuvered internally/secretly like his bones were not broken. Isn't it a good clue, please?
Right, please?
It is a good and happy news for the Christians that Jesus, their beloved did not die on the Cross.Right, please?
Somebody quoted from OT Bible Torah that reads in Jewish Torah** Psalms 34:19-20 "21 He guards all his bones; not one of them was broken."<Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 34jewish/Chapter-34.htm>. Though Jesus' name is not mentioned in it (here comments of our Jewish friend @RabbiO are welcome, if he likes to), but if it pertains to Jesus it is also a clue that Jesus was not going to die on the Cross, and that is what actually, I understand, happened. Right, please?

"Whistleblower to IRS: "Mormon Church has amassed $100 billion in tax-empt fund' "
Suffices it to say that if there is any money collected in the name of Jesus or Jesus' Second Coming with any Christian denomination, as I am given to understand, it is to be donated to the charity "Humanity First Canada". No harm in it. Right, please?

Regards
_________________
*Pontius Pilate was the fifth governor of the Roman province of Judaea, serving under Emperor Tiberius from 26/27 to 36/37 CE. He is best known today for being the official who presided over the trial of Jesus and ordered his crucifixion. Wikipedia

**Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 34:19-20
19 The Lord is near to the broken-hearted, and He saves those of crushed spirit.
20 Many evils befall the righteous, but the Lord saves him from them all.
21 He guards all his bones; not one of them was broken.
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16255/jewish/Chapter-34.htm

dianaiad · Dec 19, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
Not at all. I just care if there are tax rules that are being avoided/broken. Avoiding taxes is exactly tantamount to robbing the American people. And even Mormon's must agree that ought to be wrong.

And you have jumped to the conclusion that such tax laws have, indeed, been broken?

why?

Dan From Smithville · Dec 19, 2019

paarsurrey said:
I provided the clues.
The first one is:
"but his (Jesus') bones were not broken by the Romans"

Jesus had a sturdy/strong body and physique, he was for a few hours only on the Cross, he had all the possibility to live and survive. The Roman official Pilate*:

did not find Jesus to be guilty

Pilate's wife had also seen a dream to that effect

She prevailed upon Pilate so that Jesus does not die

Pilate washed off his hands in token of the above

Pilate could not free Jesus openly, so he maneuvered internally/secretly like his bones were not broken. Isn't it a good clue, please?
Right, please?
It is a good and happy news for the Christians that Jesus, their beloved did not die on the Cross.Right, please?

Regards
_________________
*Pontius Pilate was the fifth governor of the Roman province of Judaea, serving under Emperor Tiberius from 26/27 to 36/37 CE. He is best known today for being the official who presided over the trial of Jesus and ordered his crucifixion. Wikipedia

I already know you cannot provide the evidence. You do not have to work so hard to convince me of that.

Shadow Wolf · Dec 19, 2019

robocop (actually) said:
By the way, although many Latter-day Saints certainly have skeletons in their closets, and while almost all ancient prophets did, I am confident that no modern prophet or apostle in the LDS Church has anything serious enough to be called a skeleton.

They are human. Even your Bible will not support your claim they have no skeletons. Them being an organization of humans does not support your claim.

Woberts · Dec 19, 2019

dianaiad said:
. You think you have the right to tell other people that they can only use their charitable donations for what you think they should be used for?

The accumulation of wealth is always immoral.

Dan From Smithville · Dec 19, 2019

Woberts said:
The accumulation of wealth is always immoral.

What is wealth? I am not rich, but compared to someone from a few hundred years ago, I live like royalty.

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