Poor Little Dem's Mad: Taking Their Ball and Going Home

esmith said:

Seems that the Dem's are "taking their ball and going home" or in this case their articles of impeachment. Seems that if they don't get their way in the Senate they will not send over the articles of impeachment to the Senate.
House Democrats impeach Trump, Pelosi floats holding up Senate trial
Nancy Pelosi won't commit to sending articles of impeachment to Senate - CNNPolitics
Pelosi says House will wait to send impeachment articles to Senate for clarity on rules

Or is it they know they are going to loose and just want to leave the impeachment articles hanging around until President Trump gets reelected in 2020

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Mc Connell should give them a short timeline, and if they fail to meet it, declare a complete acquittal and the articles will never be taken up by the senate.

Seems as though the Jack Daniels has led pelosi to think she controls the world. She certainly has no control of the senate, and this attempt to do so is pitiful.

Stanyon said:

One would think if the evidence was so compelling then they would be pushing for it.

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Like they were telling the truth at the start. Yeaa... He he.

Typical Socialist Democrat smoke and mirrors. Time to fold the cards at the political poker table. Trump called their bluff.

Nowhere Man said:

Like they were telling the truth at the start. Yeaa... He he.

Typical Socialist Democrat smoke and mirrors. Time to fold the cards at the political poker table. Trump called their bluff.

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They aren't socialists.

Revoltingest said:

This seems a shrewd idea.
If they stop at merely impeaching Trump, they have a win.
But if they go to trial in the Senate, they'll very likely lose.
Quitting while ahead could be the most sensible thing.

Hmmm...or are they even ahead?
I don't know which side impeachment hurt more.

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For myself, I think that they're well ahead. I actually listened to all those hours of "debate" yesterday, which amounted to nothing more than the Democrats reiterating the articles, and mentioning "17 witnesses," and the Republicans ranting about "process" and the Democrats' hatred of Trump as motive -- they didn't once touch on the actual articles by stating they didn't happen as recited.

Oh, yes, and the Republicans repeatedly referred to the fact that those "17 witnesses" all amounted to nothing more than hearsay. Now, that might be true, but that would because the eye-witnesses, who could offer either exculpatory or condemnatory evidence, were ordered to ignore the subpoenas issued. The Republicans also, very disingenuously, offered that they could have just gone to the courts, which could take a very long time, through multiple appeals, to force those witnesses to testify -- which might even mean they gain time until the next election.

Now, if it goes to a trial in the Senate, and the Republicans decline to call those witnesses, I for one will remember what I said earlier -- that those witnesses could offer testimony that is either exculpatory or condemnatory, and I will forever wonder why, if exculpatory, they wouldn't call them.

Nowhere Man said:

Like they were telling the truth at the start. Yeaa... He he.

Typical Socialist Democrat smoke and mirrors. Time to fold the cards at the political poker table. Trump called their bluff.

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I don't think so. I think that Pelosi is actually calling the Republicans' bluff -- that they really wanted those other witnesses to testify. Trust me, they didn't -- and that will become more clear as we move forward.

Woberts said:

They aren't socialists.

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Oh yes they are.

Nowhere Man said:

Oh yes they are.

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Source?

Nowhere Man said:

Oh yes they are.

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I don’t understand your hatred of socialism. Then again, i’m not fond of Modern American conservatism.

Revoltingest said:

This seems a shrewd idea.
If they stop at merely impeaching Trump, they have a win.
But if they go to trial in the Senate, they'll very likely lose.
Quitting while ahead could be the most sensible thing.

Hmmm...or are they even ahead?
I don't know which side impeachment hurt more.

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All Moscow Mitch has to do is to come up with bi-partisan rules for the trial. The ball is in his court. The rules governing the Clinton trial would do nicely. But his master in the Trump party does not want anything like that.,

Nowhere Man said:

Like they were telling the truth at the start. Yeaa... He he.

Typical Socialist Democrat smoke and mirrors. Time to fold the cards at the political poker table. Trump called their bluff.

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Typical Trump party kowtowing to Trump. After all, none dare oppose his Royal Highness Trump.

Woberts said:

Source?

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Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Workings towards a better future for all.


Sorry Democrats, but Your Stars Are Socialists


The Democrats Are the Socialist Party Again | National Review

Revoltingest said:

I don't know which side impeachment hurt more.

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The backside, where Trump's massive ego resides. Imagine how painful this is for a man who so desperately needs to be praised - to be publicly rebuked in a way that will be written in history books.

BSM1 said:

Sooo...you saying they never really had an impeachable offense that could be brought to trial?

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Nope. Saying that there is no chance of a fair trial, so why facilitate such a farce if the Dems can prevent it. In this way, the I-word looms large until the 2020 election as an unsettled matter.

This is analogous to McConnell refusing to go ahead with Obama's last nomination to the Supreme Court in the hope of a better outcome down the road. Perhaps Trump will be declared president as the Republicans lose the Senate in 2020. That's when the trial can proceed.

Nowhere Man said:

Trump called their bluff.

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Wait until he can no longer hide behind his desk in the Oval Office. Prosecutors from multiple jurisdictions will be lining up to indict and convict Trump. I hope he lives long enough to end up in prison.

It Aint Necessarily So said:

The backside, where Trump's massive ego resides. Imagine how painful this is for a man who so desperately needs to be praised - to be publicly rebuked in a way that will be written in history books.

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I lack your insight into how it will all precisely play out.

Nowhere Man said:

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Workings towards a better future for all.


Sorry Democrats, but Your Stars Are Socialists


The Democrats Are the Socialist Party Again | National Review

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All three of those sources (and the first isn't a party, and isn't affiliated with the Democratic Party) mention only a very few people with genuinely socialist ideologies -- and those people are not (yet) the leaders of the party. The real leadership of the party, and the solid majority of its members, are all capitalists and all believe in democracy. They often advocate social welfare through practical, necessary reforms to capitalism, but that is NOT "Socialism."

It's not nice to tar a whole body of people as you are doing -- especially when the tar is truly misapplied!

Nowhere Man said:

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Workings towards a better future for all.


Sorry Democrats, but Your Stars Are Socialists


The Democrats Are the Socialist Party Again | National Review

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So the existence of a socialist party makes the Democrats socialist? Brilliant logic there, Anprim. The opinion pieces written by nationalists aren't the greatest sources, either. Perhaps you should ask the one's you're lying about what their beliefs are?

Evangelicalhumanist said:

All three of those sources (and the first isn't a party, and isn't affiliated with the Democratic Party) mention only a very few people with genuinely socialist ideologies -- and those people are not (yet) the leaders of the party. The real leadership of the party, and the solid majority of its members, are all capitalists and all believe in democracy. They often advocate social welfare through practical, necessary reforms to capitalism, but that is NOT "Socialism."

It's not nice to tar a whole body of people as you are doing -- especially when the tar is truly misapplied!

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They do move in the direction of socialism though.
I wonder how far they want to take it?
I'll wager that most of them don't even know.

Revoltingest said:

They do move in the direction of socialism though.
I wonder how far they want to take it?
I'll wager that most of them don't even know.

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Canada is already way more "socialist" than they seem to be, and yet we remain a democratic, capitalist nation. We distribute a little too much of "other people's money," for my liking, although I don't seriously object to being taxed reasonably to provide assistance where needed. My preference is for reforms to prevent the worst depredations of capitalism, while acknowledging that it is still the only economic model that has been shown to be able to produce the wealth needed to lift everybody up. And while we are sometimes jealous of the obscenely wealthy, most of us don't actually want to rob them of their property.

Evangelicalhumanist said:

Canada is already way more "socialist" than they seem to be....

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I disagree.
While we lose economic liberty, Canuckistan increases theirs (per
ongoing Heritage Foundation ranking). Social services are not the
means of production, & therefore not a good measure of socialism.

Evangelicalhumanist said:

I don't think so. I think that Pelosi is actually calling the Republicans' bluff -- that they really wanted those other witnesses to testify. Trust me, they didn't -- and that will become more clear as we move forward.

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Soooo...you saying the best way to call a bluff is to not even show up for the game?

esmith said:

Seems that the Dem's are "taking their ball and going home" or in this case their articles of impeachment. Seems that if they don't get their way in the Senate they will not send over the articles of impeachment to the Senate.
House Democrats impeach Trump, Pelosi floats holding up Senate trial
Nancy Pelosi won't commit to sending articles of impeachment to Senate - CNNPolitics
Pelosi says House will wait to send impeachment articles to Senate for clarity on rules

Or is it they know they are going to loose and just want to leave the impeachment articles hanging around until President Trump gets reelected in 2020

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Republicans are the ones throwing the fit about it I think you've got it backwards.