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Evil and Good

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
some say evil is the lack of good.


but really? isn't it simply the lack of love for all as self?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I see evil as a religious idea and has no meaning for those not in certain clubs.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
So in your ideal society, people would steal and kill freely?

This is precisely what i am talking about
Morality is a human trait, not a religious exclude everyone not in our club trait. Just about every person born knows the difference between right and wrong.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
This is precisely what i am talking about
Morality is a human trait, not a religious exclude everyone not in our club trait. Just about every person born knows the difference between right and wrong.
Oh, good, wanted to be sure. I'm with you on that.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
The thing about the imaginary Devil of the Christians sects is that no matter how hard they try they cannot make him more evil and wicked than man himself.

"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure—who can understand it?" Jer 17:9

Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.'

Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus told them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Mark 7:21
For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

Mark 7:22
greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness.

Romans 1:21
For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts.

Romans 7:11
For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.

Ephesians 4:22
to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The thing about the imaginary Devil of the Christians sects is that no matter how hard they try they cannot make him more evil and wicked than man himself.

"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure—who can understand it?" Jer 17:9

Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.'

Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus told them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Mark 7:21
For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

Mark 7:22
greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness.

Romans 1:21
For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts.

Romans 7:11
For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.

Ephesians 4:22
to put off your former way of life, your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;

And while the devil is responsible for 10 deaths in the OT, god is directly responsible for an estimated 2 million or more and mankind is in the frame for, well, unknown but certainly over a billion
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
And while the devil is responsible for 10 deaths in the OT, god is directly responsible for an estimated 2 million or more and mankind is in the frame for, well, unknown but certainly over a billion
As I understand it, it was the sin of only one man that has brought death upon everyone after him. So, the sin of one is responsible for the death of the many.
When men kill each other in war it is simply the dead killing the dead.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
As I understand it, it was the sin of only one man that has brought death upon everyone after him. So, the sin of one is responsible for the death of the many.

Which man is this?
As i understand the bible, god got peeved because his greatest creation was being naughty so he killed them all (along with all other life on earth) except a close buddy, his immediate family and around 18 million animals
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Which man is this?
As i understand the bible, god got peeved because his greatest creation was being naughty so he killed them all (along with all other life on earth) except a close buddy, his immediate family and around 18 million animals
The man was Adam.
According to the Bible, God told the man he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
As I understand it, it was the sin of only one man that has brought death upon everyone after him.

Not exactly.

According to the story, one man broke a rule.
God then cursed everyone as a punishment for that one man the broke a rule.

God didn't have to overreact like that. He could have punished only the one man, but instead he punished everything that lived and ever shall live. That was entirely that god's choice.


So, the sin of one is responsible for the death of the many.

No.

If you break a law and the leader then, in an act of wanting to punish you, then kills your entire family, then you are not responsible for the death of your family. That's entirely on the leader.

When Kim Jung Un puts an entire family in a concentration camp or worse, because one member of a family did something (anything), then we rightfully call Kim Jung Un an evil dictator. Nobody in his right mind, or with a basic sense of morals and fairness, would ever consider it okay to punish others for the crimes of a specific person.

When men kill each other in war it is simply the dead killing the dead.

not sure what that is supposed to mean in context of the discussion
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
It's the sin of Adam that is responsible for bringing death to all mankind.

Again, no.

See the Kim Jung Un example.

When Kim Jung Un punishes an entire family for the transgressions of 1 person, we don't say that that one person is responsible for it. NO MATTER what his crime was.

It's NEVER okay to punish anyone but the guilty for anything.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Again, no.

See the Kim Jung Un example.

When Kim Jung Un punishes an entire family for the transgressions of 1 person, we don't say that that one person is responsible for it. NO MATTER what his crime was.

It's NEVER okay to punish anyone but the guilty for anything.
There is a difference between being punished for the sin of another and having the misfortune of being like the other.
All mankind die not because they are being punished for Adam's sin but because all mankind are like Adam.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
There is a difference between being punished for the sin of another and having the misfortune of being like the other.
All mankind die not because they are being punished for Adam's sin but because all mankind are like Adam.

Sounds like you're changing the story just so you won't have to acknowledge my point.

ps: you conviently left out idea of all living things being "cursed", not just humans. I guess rats, birds, worms, lions, fish, spiders, mosquito's ..... are "like Adam" also then.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
some say evil is the lack of good.


but really? isn't it simply the lack of love for all as self?

Lack of Good is not evil. Lack of Good is just being. For example if you sit in a chair all day doing nothing. You are not Good or Bad. You just are. Good is doing things to make a positive change in your environment, People, Animals, Plants....etc. Bad is making a negative change in your environment.

Most people consider evil extreme bad, I don't bad is bad, evil is an unnecessary word.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you're changing the story just so you won't have to acknowledge my point.

ps: you conviently left out idea of all living things being "cursed", not just humans. I guess rats, birds, worms, lions, fish, spiders, mosquito's ..... are "like Adam" also then.
Where does the Bible say that humans are cursed?

The Bible teaches that humans die because they are sinful like Adam. It doesn't even matter whether they commit the same sin as Adam or even are under the laws of God. We die because we are like Adam. I never said anything different.
 
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